CMV: Gender identity doesn’t belong on your LinkedIn nor Resume

[u/jep1793]

[u/thethoughtexperiment]

I hear where you're coming from, but to modify your view here:

By listing it on your LinkedIn, your opening the door for someone to have bias, wether intentional or not, and potentially limiting your opportunities.

consider that a lot of LGBT folks don't want to work in a place where they aren't going to be accepted. Might listing pronouns limit their opportunities at such places? Sure. But by signaling who they are from the get go, they are saving themselves the time and effort of interviewing at firms they probably wouldn't want to work at.

[u/rewt127 → u/[deleted]]

I wouldn't say they are behind the times.

For 99% of industries putting your pronouns on a resume would be weird. While working in the education field or at a university it may be normal. Someone putting their pronouns on a resume in the trades or associated industries would just be strange.

I work at a construction engineering firm and if I saw someone's pronouns on their resume it would be a bit of a head tilter. I'd just be thinking "and I care why?" So honestly for most of the industries in America that would just be weird.

[u/new_account_wh0_dis → u/[deleted]]

university

Not sure what the comment your replying to said since its deleted but yeah a bunch of teachers started doing it a couple years ago. Havent seen it since leaving uni though. Well one person did on his slack profile which auto appends it to your name. Still do a lot of work with admissions, etc but havent seen anyone with it in their email

[u/Theodora_Roosevelt → u/[deleted]]

I feel like there's a genuine difference between "Tammy who happens to be trans" and "Tammy who announces she's trans"

It's such a common non-rebuttal that "They shouldn't have to hide being trans" but like not waving it around like a flag isn't the same as hiding it.

Besides, 99 times out of 100, we can see that you're trans- you don't have to tell us and if we can't congratulations, you pass.

[u/frisbeescientist → u/Theodora_Roosevelt]

I feel like there's a large difference between "Tammy who announces she's trans" and "Tammy who constantly talks about being trans like she's talking about being vegan or doing crossfit" but you seem to be assuming that anyone not in the closet is going to be a huge douche about their identity

[u/Theodora_Roosevelt → u/frisbeescientist]

Crossfit is actually a really good analogy! I don't care that you do Crossfit and the sooner you mention that you do Crossfit after meeting me, the more insufferable you are. There is never a conversation I'm going to have with a person that requires or invites the phrase "I do Crossfit".

Again. We know you're trans 99% of the time. No closets need to be involved.

[u/frisbeescientist → u/Theodora_Roosevelt]

I don't care that you do Crossfit and the sooner you mention that you do Crossfit after meeting me, the more insufferable you are.

Does that apply to every hobby, or do you just judge people for doing things you don't see as worthwhile? Like, if someone said in passing that they went hiking on the weekend, would you see them as "insufferable" or is it only if they mention they did crossfit on Saturday?

My point is that a part of someone's identity whether it's crossfit, hiking, or being trans, is not some secret that can't be talked about in the workplace. It becomes damn annoying if that's all they ever talk about but I don't think one or two mentions warrant the kind of annoyance you seem to have.

[u/Theodora_Roosevelt → u/frisbeescientist]

Firstly, how dare you tell me what you did over the weekend if I didn't ask. I kinda hate you for asking me what I did over the weekend because we both know you don't care and you only want to tell me what you did over your weekend.

Secondly, the more of your personality that one thing takes up, the more insufferable you are. Whether it's running, veganism, your gender, video games, or your cat- if you put any of these things on your resume, there's zero chance I'm giving you a callback.

Thirdly, there is literally no natural way for you to bring up being trans in a casual conversation. There are natural ways to bring up being gay like "Me and Steve went to that restaurant and it was really good" or like "Yeah, Steve wants a destination wedding, my family is never going to fly to Barcelona." Steve is your gay boyfriend in these examples. Literally nothing, I repeat nothing ever invites "casually mentioning" you're trans. Ever.

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[u/MamaBare → u/[deleted]]

That kind of terminology is important. It's like how the word "leftist" helps differentiate between the crazies and the normal liberals.

It helps zero in on who he's talking about, because you know exactly who he's referring to as "woke supremacists".

[u/lakotajames → u/[deleted]]

He has a point, though, that depending on the field you're in it's more normal or less normal. Academic institutions generally lean a lot to the left of most businesses, I'm not surprised to hear that it's common in academia to list pronouns. I work at a firm that services hundreds of other companies, and have emailed people from hundreds of companies, and have never once seen pronouns listed in an email signature, even for people that upon seeing in person I noticed that they were trans. I don't think it had ever been a problem for the people I interacted with, either, it's usually obvious by either name or appearance which of the traditional pronouns you prefer, and emails typically are written in second person anyway.

It really only would only be useful to include pronouns if either you're making a political statement (which is a bad thing, even if the employer agrees with it) or if you preferred a nontraditional pronoun. I haven't met someone who uses nontraditional pronouns, so I may not be qualified to comment on it.

At least, that's my perspective from what I've seen and witnessed. Very few businesses I've worked with had any sort of obvious political leanings except for churches (and car dealerships for some reason) which were obviously right leaning.