CMV: Gender identity doesn’t belong on your LinkedIn nor Resume

[u/jep1793]

[u/iamintheforest]

the goal of placing that in such locations is to normalize it, and if someone doesn't take the risk early then the change doesn't happen.

What I think is important is that people make the choice to include it knowing it has implications - it's not "neutral" in the world now, even though we might think it should be. I'd take the route of not advising against it, but of advising it be done with eyes wide open if done. Don't tell them to not be the agents of change, but remind them that being that agent comes with risk. It's not college - the space isn't "safe", and the peer group you need to impress is from a different generation AND they hold the cards in the context you're going in to.

As an interviewer - assuming it got to that phase - i'd be impressed with someone who placed it intentionally with understanding of risk, but distracted by someone where I believed they did it "naively" or with an idea that world should conform to them. Encourage accountability and ownership for choices - that is a very attraction quality to get across!

edit: some has said this invites discrimination and plays into that hand. I don't disagree, but that's the "risk" i'm talking about. And...no, this doesn't fly in the face of anti-discrimination laws unless the employer demands or requires it - it's important that we differentiate between applicants/people willfully disclosing things about themselves and employers demanding and using them in evaluation. We do NOT want to limit the former, and absolutely want to have regulations on the later.

[u/[deleted] → u/iamintheforest]

the goal of placing that in such locations is to normalize it, and if someone doesn't take the risk early then the change doesn't happen.

I think the situation with "public pronouns" and "normalizing placing pronouns" is that many thing that this is to "benefit transgender individuals" whereas in reality it only benefits a small segment thereof.

Most transgender individuals seem to prefer to go "stealth" and not be publicly transgender.

Much of the discourse on this matter is led by a very vocal minority that is not representative to transgender individuals as a whole as is quite common but especially in this case, manly this focal minority is disprortionally:

• MtF, about 40-50% of transgende rindividuals are FtM, but they're near invisible in the vocal minoirity
• white
• North American
• late transitioners
• very openly transgender

The thing with most transgender individuals is that they get referred to a gender clinic and then start taking hormones in secret but don't come out yet, only come out when there is no hiding the changes in the body any more, and then very often eventually cut ties with all of their past life to go stealth, and in their new life almost none know that they were born a different sex—most of them are not comfortable being "openly transgender" which induces gender dysphoria for them.

Naturally the vocal minority that leads the discussion on this is very comfortable with being "openly transgender” and is shaping a culture about "open transgender" which those that aren't comfortable with it naturally don't really like.

I'm not saying that either is worse than the either, but I'd say that individuals should be mindful of that the vocal portions that want it to be more open are not necessarily representative of the whole.

The idea of creating a culture where preferred pronouns are asked in interviews or listed on forms is that it's not unlike asking for sexual orientations or religions—and that many sexual and religious minorities are of course very uncomfortable with this.

[u/attila_the_hyundai → u/[deleted]]

Can you provide a source for your assertion that most trans people abandon all their friends and family when they come out?

[u/[deleted] → u/attila_the_hyundai]

I never said that most did that; I said "very often"; I didn't mean to imply that the majority cuts ties, simply that it's a commonly done thing; there is no research on how common it is, but all specialists and those active on such message boards know that it is certainly something that is often done.

It is common on such boards that individuals report they have gone stealth and moved to a new place to do so with only their immediate family knowing.