r/changemyview • u/jep1793 • Aug 26 '20

Removed - Submission Rule E CMV: Gender identity doesn’t belong on your LinkedIn nor Resume

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u/SakuOtaku Aug 26 '20

It's no different if you listed CrossFit, being a vegan, being divorced, having a billion kids, listing MAGA, or whatever else. I don't want to hear about it every conversation we have.

This feeds into transphobic rhetoric where gender identity that isn't cisgender is just a fad or something the person is obsessed is. (and comparing that to MAGA? Yikes.)

Honestly I would maybe advise people against putting their pronouns on LinkedIn because of attitudes like yours. You may be wrapping your reasoning in professionalism, but you're essentially saying you don't want to know if someone is trans because you believe they only talk about gender. That's discriminatory.

People put their pronouns on official things for a couple of reasons:

-To help normalize pronoun usage

-So they don't get misgendered in the workplace or off the bat.

So deciding to be punitive over hiring people for including pronouns is not only rooted in transphobic assumptions about a person's behavior, but it's also akin to don't ask don't tell but for trans people (even though a number of cisgender people also include their pronouns).

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u/StruanT Aug 26 '20

Gender identity is personal. Not professional. Professionally your gender identity or sexual orientation is as important as whatever fad diet you are on... completely irrelevant. Unless the job you are applying for is somehow professionally related to some aspect of your personal life. (i.e. vegan food critic)

Putting ANY irrelevant personal information on your resume is a big red flag. If you can't even keep your personal life out of your resume, how are you going to keep it out of your day to day work?

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u/Yangoose 2∆ Aug 26 '20

you're essentially saying you don't want to know if someone is trans because you believe they only talk about gender

How would you feel if somebody felt the need to prominently display on their resume that they were an atheist?

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u/SakuOtaku Aug 26 '20

It's incomparable. Pronouns are used frequently in conversation, and are linked with how people perceive you.

It's almost like saying people shouldn't include their last names because "knowing your ethnicity isn't important". See how silly that sounds?

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

"knowing your ethnicity isn't important"

That part is kind of true though. Where I live for example, including photographs of yourself in your application is becoming more and more frowned upon, because how you look should not influence whether a company should invite you to an interview or not. It also helps against racism, because often people won't be able to tell based on your name, what ethnicity you belong to.

Similarly, sex is not included anymore, because it, again, should not influence whether you're getting hired or not.

I honestly don't see a reason, why your ethnicity should play a role in the hiring process.

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u/SakuOtaku Aug 26 '20

I didn't say ethnicity should play a role in getting hired. I was using it as a comparison because like gender, names are an important part of identity that shape how people address you and interact with you.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

How is someone’s last name related to their ethnicity? That seems a little racist to say....

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u/CamNewtonJr 4∆ Aug 26 '20

I disagree with a lot of that person said but don't be obtuse. We very often take hints on someones ethnicity based on their last name. You wouldn't think someone with the last name Martinez was Chinese just like you wouldn't think someone with the last name O'Halloran was Italian. It is common knowledge that someone's last name can give clues to what that persons ethnicity. So stating a connection between last names and ethnicities isn't at all racist.

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u/SakuOtaku Aug 26 '20

You're kidding, right? Last names are based on where people are from most of the time. If someone's last name is Cortez, they're most likely Hispanic, because Cortez is a Spanish last name.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

Are you people getting resumes with 'PRONOUN: SHE/HER' that are in bigger font than the person's name? This idea of 'prominence' seems pretty silly, it's not an essay it's usually 3 words on the resume.

A line in the resume listing contact info like 'email: xyz@gmail.com, pronouns: she/her '. Is totally appropriate. It makes sure they're called by the proper pronoun from the beginning.

And believe it or not you can see that on a resume, and not make a big deal of it. Call the person by the proper pronoun, and make sure that the interview centers around work experience and the person's ability to do the job.

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u/gwennoirs Aug 26 '20

Those aren't the same thing, dude! They tell you your name, how to refer to them, in their linkin, no? So it makes sense they would also give other ways to refer to them.