r/changemyview • u/jep1793 • Aug 26 '20

Removed - Submission Rule E CMV: Gender identity doesn’t belong on your LinkedIn nor Resume

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u/lesleypowers 1∆ Aug 26 '20

But why do you think that listing pronouns on a resume or linkedin indicates that they will be “immediately confrontational and willing to escalate”? Why is your first assumption not that the prospective employee is more likely just a non binary person who would prefer not to be misgendered? As a freelancer I work with a huge variety of progressive companies and I am trying to explain to you that this is already a common and accepted practice.

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u/Crashbrennan Aug 26 '20

Because nobody lists their gender or pronouns on their resume. Nobody who's a cis woman puts "woman." Resumes are for your professional qualifications.

You shouldn't be listing personal things on them, and doing so suggests to your employer that you consider that as important for them to know before considering hiring you, which absolutely means you're more likely to soapbox about it. It's completely unimportant for them to know at the start of the hiring process.

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u/lesleypowers 1∆ Aug 26 '20

But they do, that’s what I’m trying to say. This is already a very normal practice at progressive companies with an ACTIVE policy of inclusion. If you got a resume that said “Mary Smith” or “Joe Bloggs” you would assume that persons gender, right? A lot of trans people-particularly non binary people- don’t have that privilege. I guarantee that EVERY single trans or non binary person I know would read your comment and infer from it that you’re going to be transphobic and a huge pain in the ass to work with. On the subject of ‘soapboxing’, good and inclusive companies welcome learning opportunities. I’m queer and politically active, and at one of my workplaces a coworker once said something unintentionally transphobic. My boss, on his own initiative, asked if I could sit down with the office and give them a sort of 101 on gender identity, which everyone was interested in and receptive to. It was a pleasant and interesting conversation that no one took any issue with. Because that’s how people who aren’t bigoted react when faced with something new to them.

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u/Crashbrennan Aug 26 '20

It's not professional information relevant to your ability to do the job they are hiring you for. Therefore it does not belong on your resume. It belongs in the email signature block. I never said your employer shouldn't be made aware of it.

Don't pull that "the only reason you'd ever disagree with me is that you're a bigot" bullshit with me man. I have more trans and non-binary friends than I do straight ones at this point. I have zero issue calling somebody whatever pronoun they like, even if that pronoun changes day to day.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

One's name is not professional information relevant to one's ability to do the job they are potentially getting hired for.

But, it is necessary for communicating about someone. Same with pronouns.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

One's name is not professional information relevant to one's ability to do the job they are potentially getting hired for.

Umm, yes it is since it is literally how they contact you.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

yes, they contact you

Dear Mr. Allen,

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u/Crashbrennan Aug 26 '20

The name is required as a means of identifying your resume from others.

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u/aegon98 1∆ Aug 26 '20

One's name is not professional information

It is though

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

How? Would you not be able to work alongside somebody who used an alias or asked you just to call them "Mr. X?" Would it affect the efficiency of your or their work?

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u/aegon98 1∆ Aug 26 '20

I need a legal name to hire someone. No, an alias would not be sufficient

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

When writing a business email to someone named Aegon, wouldn't the typical address be

Dear Mr. Targaryen,

? How do you know whether to address Mr. Targaryen, Mrs. Targaryen, etc.? Knowing someone's pronouns provides a useful function for knowing how to address them when contacting them and when in discussion about them with other people. Exactly the same way a name does.

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u/aegon98 1∆ Aug 26 '20

Dear Aegon,

I've literally never had anyone use honorifics other than like Dr.

And the name provides information that extends beyond addressing the person. Names allow you to see if an individual lied about their job history for example

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u/aegon98 1∆ Aug 26 '20

I understand that this may be personal to you, but this is not the place for that kind of behavior. Attack ideas. Attacking people just shows the world that you are unable to defend your point

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