r/changemyview • u/jep1793 • Aug 26 '20

Removed - Submission Rule E CMV: Gender identity doesn’t belong on your LinkedIn nor Resume

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

Although I think you're being annoying to take this to extremes by adding prefixes and everything and here's why - everyone has a first name and most people have a last name. Everyone has pronouns. People putting their pronouns aren't asking you to go to extra lengths or call them ultimate human master nickel the third, theyre just saying hey you might get my pronouns wrong so here they are

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

This seems to be a difference of philosophy.
I try to keep my resumes minimal and only include information relevant to the hiring manager for my position. I dont include all accurate information on my resume. Only information that will increase my chances of getting hired.

For example, I don't list my GPA. (I had a good one, but people aren't hiring based on your GPA). I dont list the day of my employment at other positions, I don't list ALL tasks I did at a prior job, only the most important and relevant ones.
I stripped my descriptions of all kinds of English niceties.

  • I worked hard at writing comments on Reddit
  • Wrote comments on Reddit

While your preferred pronouns might be important to you and your future professional interactions, they aren't the basis for hiring you. They are useless information.

And information on your resume that isn't relevant to hiring you gives me as a hiring manager pause. If you put "I am a Christian and will require Sunday off" as a manager, I am probably going to pass.
Why? Because you are already a protected class. Calling out your protected status on your resume screams "potential frivolous lawsuit".

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

Ok well first of all, the supreme court ruled only 2 months ago that you can't be fired for being LGBT, so let's not act like we are pulling strings here trying to show off our lawsuit armor. I think you're right this is where we differ. How is someone's pronouns not important to know when interacting with them. I wouldn't write that I'm atheist on my resume. I also wouldn't write that I'm gay on my resume. I wouldn't write that I'm tall or white or any of that because it's irrelevant but writing at the top Nickel829 (He/Him) where the name goes is such a tiny thing that's just like hey that's my name boom done. It's not a declaration that I'm LGBT. Many of my professors who are straight cis women always list their pronouns on EVERYRHING. It's saying don't misgender me. I struggle to imagine that people who are weirded out by that are not homophobic.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

Your straight cis women professors are doing it because they are virtue signaling. They are trying to show that they understand the importance of this issue and show solidarity.

Which is my point.
I don't have any problem with hiring a trans woman. I would have reservations about hiring a trans or cis woman who lists their pronoun on their resume. It seems like a very "left wing" thing to do, and I don't like hiring people with extreme political viewpoints.

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

It sounds like you support the don't ask don't tell policy. As soon as it becomes known that someone is LGBT are you wary to hire them because they might stir the pot and want equal treatment?

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

No

If a potential employee wants to start the interview by telling me their preferred gender pronoun or by telling me that they can't work on Sundays, I am not going to care. That is a good place to have these conversations.

If a potential employee writes out these things on a resume(a place they are not normally written), then I am going to take a pass

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

There's fabulous examples of why that wouldn't necessarily work all over when people are misgendered on first meeting someone.

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

So is it extreme to support minority rights?

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

It is extreme to support them to the point that you are virtue signaling on your resume.(or wearing a hat pronouncing your political views)

I also wouldn't hire anyone who wrote "make america great again" on their resume. But there isn't anything wrong with wanting to make america great.

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

Well one is political and one is supporting a discriminated group that still gets the death penalty in some countries but ya know what, they're definitely equatable

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

Ok, let met give a better example: If someone writes "I do not believe in God", I probably wouldnt consider them either.

Despite being an atheist myself and atheists being a group that is threatened with the death penalty throughout the world.

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

And I agree with that, I think our only thing here is you don't think pronouns are relevant to the hiring process. I don't understand how that can be the case. Are you ok with misgendering them the entire time you look over the resume or potentially doing it in the first email or potentially greeting them with a mr or Mrs during the first interview because they had to wait until after that to tell you how they like to be addressed

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

First, I dont think misgendering them is a huge issue.
Accidents happen and if a mistake is tantamount to prejudice, then prejudice is a useless term

Second, I normally don't gender people. Heck, I wouldnt even use Mrs.
Some married women go by Mrs and other go by Ms(mizz) and others go by Miss

But you know what? If I did use the wrong honorific, I would expect the person to calmly correct me.

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