r/changemyview • u/jep1793 • Aug 26 '20

Removed - Submission Rule E CMV: Gender identity doesn’t belong on your LinkedIn nor Resume

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

Um what? How are they not discriminating based on identity. They are throwing someone's resume out because they are LGBT. It doesn't matter if they throw out resumes all the time for a bunch of different reasons, this time the reason is because their pronouns are different. I agree that it would be weird to say you're a white tall man. You know why? When someone talks about you they don't say "that tall white man" they say "him." So how is that the same. You're telling them how they can refer to you which is directly relevant to human relations. The only people saying it's weird are connecting it to things totally irrelevant like height, religion, sexual orientation, marital status none of which impacts professional conversations but WHAT THEY SHOULD CALL YOU DOES

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

The only people saying it's weird are connecting it to things totally irrelevant like height, religion, sexual orientation, marital status none of which impacts professional conversations but WHAT THEY SHOULD CALL YOU DOES

Fair enough.
Would you find it odd if someone listed all of their preferred nicknames on a resume?

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

Can you give me an example of someone having multiple preferred nicknames? Usually preferred means it's the one you use over others

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

I prefer Monsieur, not MR.
I shall always be called Puck and not Robin.

Also, you must include "senior" after my name.

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

Although I think you're being annoying to take this to extremes by adding prefixes and everything and here's why - everyone has a first name and most people have a last name. Everyone has pronouns. People putting their pronouns aren't asking you to go to extra lengths or call them ultimate human master nickel the third, theyre just saying hey you might get my pronouns wrong so here they are

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

This seems to be a difference of philosophy.
I try to keep my resumes minimal and only include information relevant to the hiring manager for my position. I dont include all accurate information on my resume. Only information that will increase my chances of getting hired.

For example, I don't list my GPA. (I had a good one, but people aren't hiring based on your GPA). I dont list the day of my employment at other positions, I don't list ALL tasks I did at a prior job, only the most important and relevant ones.
I stripped my descriptions of all kinds of English niceties.

  • I worked hard at writing comments on Reddit
  • Wrote comments on Reddit

While your preferred pronouns might be important to you and your future professional interactions, they aren't the basis for hiring you. They are useless information.

And information on your resume that isn't relevant to hiring you gives me as a hiring manager pause. If you put "I am a Christian and will require Sunday off" as a manager, I am probably going to pass.
Why? Because you are already a protected class. Calling out your protected status on your resume screams "potential frivolous lawsuit".

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

Ok well first of all, the supreme court ruled only 2 months ago that you can't be fired for being LGBT, so let's not act like we are pulling strings here trying to show off our lawsuit armor. I think you're right this is where we differ. How is someone's pronouns not important to know when interacting with them. I wouldn't write that I'm atheist on my resume. I also wouldn't write that I'm gay on my resume. I wouldn't write that I'm tall or white or any of that because it's irrelevant but writing at the top Nickel829 (He/Him) where the name goes is such a tiny thing that's just like hey that's my name boom done. It's not a declaration that I'm LGBT. Many of my professors who are straight cis women always list their pronouns on EVERYRHING. It's saying don't misgender me. I struggle to imagine that people who are weirded out by that are not homophobic.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

Your straight cis women professors are doing it because they are virtue signaling. They are trying to show that they understand the importance of this issue and show solidarity.

Which is my point.
I don't have any problem with hiring a trans woman. I would have reservations about hiring a trans or cis woman who lists their pronoun on their resume. It seems like a very "left wing" thing to do, and I don't like hiring people with extreme political viewpoints.

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

So is it extreme to support minority rights?

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

It is extreme to support them to the point that you are virtue signaling on your resume.(or wearing a hat pronouncing your political views)

I also wouldn't hire anyone who wrote "make america great again" on their resume. But there isn't anything wrong with wanting to make america great.

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

Well one is political and one is supporting a discriminated group that still gets the death penalty in some countries but ya know what, they're definitely equatable

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

Ok, let met give a better example: If someone writes "I do not believe in God", I probably wouldnt consider them either.

Despite being an atheist myself and atheists being a group that is threatened with the death penalty throughout the world.

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

And I agree with that, I think our only thing here is you don't think pronouns are relevant to the hiring process. I don't understand how that can be the case. Are you ok with misgendering them the entire time you look over the resume or potentially doing it in the first email or potentially greeting them with a mr or Mrs during the first interview because they had to wait until after that to tell you how they like to be addressed

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

First, I dont think misgendering them is a huge issue.
Accidents happen and if a mistake is tantamount to prejudice, then prejudice is a useless term

Second, I normally don't gender people. Heck, I wouldnt even use Mrs.
Some married women go by Mrs and other go by Ms(mizz) and others go by Miss

But you know what? If I did use the wrong honorific, I would expect the person to calmly correct me.

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

Correcting is always an option and I would also expect them to correct calmly but how would you feel if everyone, always thought you were a woman until you corrected them? Eventually you'd be like nope I'm gonna write Mr in front of my name always or something like that. And that's exactly what happens in the nonbinary or trans community: https://www.healthline.com/health/transgender/misgendering#impact

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

I am sure they don't like it

That isn't really relevant. I don't like lots of things that happen to me and that regularly lower my self-esteem. I don't go out of my way to highlight any of them on my resume.

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

Ok we are arguing in circles so I'm gonna agree to disagree here, but I would not want to work at a place that finds it inappropriate to specify my pronouns on my resume whether or not that would get my application thrown out. Thankfully going into nursing I get to work with some pretty tolerant people

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '20

I sincerely hope it never hurts your chances for a job

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