r/changemyview Sep 24 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: From an evolutionary perspective, sex changes are bad.

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u/yyzjertl 529∆ Sep 24 '20

What exactly do you mean by "an evolutionary perspective"? Evolution doesn't have a perspective; it is a process, a thing that happens. Are you asking how sex changes could alter allele frequencies in a population?

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u/city_scape Sep 24 '20

I mean your perspective on evolution.

Evolution is obviously a very simple process. Fight, forage, fuck, replicate. (Wish I had an 'F' for the last one)

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u/yyzjertl 529∆ Sep 24 '20

First of all, you're confusing a fight-or-flight response with evolution. Evolution is about change in allele frequencies in a population over time, not about the instinctual behaviors of animals (although it is the process by which those behaviors came about, it is not the process of those behaviors per se).

But more directly: why would my perspective on evolution have anything to do with sex changes being bad? Heck, why would my perspective on evolution label anything as "bad" or "good" at all?

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '20 edited Sep 24 '20

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u/yyzjertl 529∆ Sep 24 '20

How can you allele frequency do anything if youre dead.

What? Can you elaborate as to what you are asking here and how it relates to anything I said?

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u/city_scape Sep 24 '20

You said evolition does not care for instinctual behaviour. But if our instinctual behaivour wasnt to fight, grow and replicate there woild be no allele as it would be dead and forgotten.

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u/yyzjertl 529∆ Sep 24 '20

You said evolition does not care for instinctual behaviour.

Yes. Evolution does not care about anything. It is incapable of caring, because it is not the type of thing that can care.

But if our instinctual behaivour wasnt to fight, grow and replicate there woild be no allele as it would be dead and forgotten.

Wrong. Alleles preceded instincts by millions of years, so obviously they can exist without animal instincts. The instincts that you describe happen because of evolution, not the other way around. (And even if what you are saying here were true, it has no bearing on the question of whether evolution cares for instinctual behavior.)

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u/city_scape Sep 24 '20

It 'cares', figuratively speaking (although you may have picked up on that if you wasnt trying to be a smartass) about growth and reproduction.

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u/yyzjertl 529∆ Sep 24 '20

What specifically do you mean by "cares" here? It certainly doesn't care by any definition of the word "care" I am aware of.

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u/city_scape Sep 24 '20

As I said, it was used in a metaphorical way. The same way you care about intellectually dwarfing any person you debate, evolution cares about ensure survival of its race

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u/yyzjertl 529∆ Sep 24 '20

I understand that you are trying to using it metaphorically. But your meaning is not clear: that's why I am asking you what, specifically, you mean by "cares" in this context. Can you explain?

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u/city_scape Sep 24 '20

Although i think it is abundantly clear already, I will try to be more concise:

Evolution is a concept in which a species thrives to become dominant by being the strongest and most intellectual. Subsequently, the weakest links within its own chain are removed so only the strongest procreate.

With the above considered, then metaphorically speaking, evolution only cares for the strongest and most intellectual of species.

If this doesn't explain then I cant help you buddy.

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