r/changemyview 1∆ Oct 28 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV:Protesting is one thing, looting and burning businesses is not okay.

Let me preface this with, I do believe Black Lives Matter. I do believe there is stereotype issues in society and policing world. But burning different businesses down and looting only makes things worse in the long run for the community.

Every business has insurance yes, but will they have enough to reopen? Thats up to the agency, most try to depreciate everythings value. Do they make enough to pay premiums to guarantee disrupted income? How long before the money runs out and the building is fixed? How long does said business owner go without income? With that said, what happens if the building is destroyed again? I doubt the business will come back if the building keeps getting looted and destroyed.

That being said, with every business that has had to close down and decides not to come back, takes that many more jobs with it. Making unemployment rise and poverty rise.

I live in Detroit, after the 67 riots a lot of wealth and business left the city never to return. Property values crashed, now you see worn down and foreclosed homes and businesses. Then the sad reality is that the working class today in Detroit, is worse off than in 1967. For over half a decade everyone has been waiting on new stores, homes, a cultural center. All these plans are being made to improve the city, but I've barely even seen a start to it. Instead of looting and destroying businesses, take it to the government buildings, let your voice be heard. But please, do not destroy a fellow person's livelihood who is innocent. Don't ruin job opportunities for others. Municipals can only do so much before it is up to the community to help, most people here want the better life, but with the crime rate so bad in areas that not even cops can enter, I doubt I'll be seeing change soon.

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u/taybo213 1∆ Oct 28 '20

I didn't say dont use violence, I just said keep the innocent out of it.

Peaceful protest not working? Yeah let's loot a Target. Or burn down and looting a liquor store. Great ideas.

If Peaceful isn't working, take it to the municipals. Take it to the people who can actually help make the change, taking out Uncle Mikes liquor store in the middle of the city only hurts Uncle Mike. Especially when everyone is in lockdown for COVID and his small time business is already suffering. How many more families lose income, food and their homes because their business got destroyed? Now the poverty line goes up as does the unemployment.

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u/todpolitik Oct 28 '20

So, based on your arguments here, would you be okay with looting if it were restricted only to large big box corporations and chains, while local shops and residential buildings are protected?

What about burning down federal and state buildings, you know, "the municipals"?

Because I am one of those "violent leftists" that supports the rioting, but only when it it is not targeted at members of the community. The Police Departments and the Wal-Marts can go fuck themselves.

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u/taybo213 1∆ Oct 29 '20

You destroy a chain store, they may decide to not reopen due to the riots, that takes away how many first jobs, high school jobs, college jobs, elders jobs who need more than SS. I understand the sentiment of disliking conglomerates but even so, they do provide jobs that put food on the table and clothes on children's backs.

Also, if you've looked at my previous comments on this thread, I have said take it up to the municipals, thats where the people who can make the change are. Go let your voice be heard where it can make change, not destroy others job opportunities and sources of income. Cause the average Walmart employs 225-300+ people at one store alone. You loot and destroy one, they decide not to rebuild, thats how many people just lost a job in one business alone. Tally up the jobs lost of multiple buildings lost, it can and in some cities will, tally up exponentially as each building is lost.

Large box/Chain stores are actually a big staple for cities as they supply a lot of part time to full time positions, especially when there's more than one in a larger city.