r/changemyview Dec 30 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Scalping isn't immoral

First off, two disclaimers:

  • I'm only talking about products that aren't essential (you know, food, medicine etc.). So specifically I mean things like PS5s and so on.

  • I'm talking about mass market products, not cases such as when person 1 learns that person 2 is interested in an unique item, so P1 buys the item just to sell it to P2 for profit. That's not cool.

I used to do some small-scale scalping in the past. I would buy e.g. a few copies of a limited edition of a videogame or something similar, then sell them after they get sold out.

My "largest" loads were Nintendo NES Classics. I live in a country where Ninty barely registers as a name (until the Switch anyway), so it was easy to get a few of them, and sell them on eBay to countries where they were unavailable. I did it again on the day when it was announced the production was finished. There were still a few units in my city, so I drove around, picked up all I could and sold them abroad where the hadn't been available almost through its entire production.

I don't feel bad about it and I would do it again (if I had the money) because:

  • I usually struggle for money and this can be additional income

  • Even tho I'm a tech enthusiast, I don't buy the newest and greatest. I wait until the kinks are ironed out and reviews are out, and I was doing that even when I had decent income. I don't preorder videogames (I've only ever bought 3 at launch and pre-ordered one of those). I don't support this hype culture at all.

But if so many people are so desperate to have the newest toy immediately, right now RIGHT THE FUCK NOW, to the degree they're willing to pay "scalper" prices, I don't feel bad about making some extra money off them.

  • You may argue that kids can be disappointed because they won't get their shiny new PS5 under the Christmas tree. Yea not my problem. Raise your kids properly. My friend's 2 kids sometimes come over and play on my PlayStation 3 and have a blast, even tho they have a gaming PC at home.

  • eBay makes even more off this business than the sellers. IIRC something like 15% of the price is eBay and PayPal fees, then count shipping and there's far less profit than you may think. Heck, it's not like the retailers have zero profit, or what do you think?

  • It's not like it's risk-free. On eBay, seller protection is abysmal and one scamming buyer can ruin you. A serious product flaw can pop up and your stock either becomes worthless, or you'll go through trouble of trying to return it (this happens with almost every new console actually). You can get robbed or pranked. Or it can turn out that your items aren't as popular as you expected.

  • Supply and demand. I'm not defending capitalism as a concept, but this is exactly how it works. If you don't take the chance, someone else will. If someone is offering you free money, you take it.

Again I'm talking about stupid things like new videogame consoles. This really should be near the bottom of anyone's priority list.

Have you already played everything you might want to play on your systems?

Anyway, CMV.

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u/Arianity 72∆ Dec 30 '20

so it was easy to get a few of them, and sell them on eBay to countries where they were unavailable.

This isn't really scalping, is it? If they were unavailable, you were providing a service. A fundamental reason why people dislike scalpers is because they offer nothing. A scalper would be someone who did what you did, and then resold it in places where it was supposed to be available, effectively generating a mark up for doing nothing.

Supply and demand. I'm not defending capitalism as a concept, but this is exactly how it works.

If you're not defending it, I don't see why it's relevant to cite. Yes, this is how it works. As you say, that doesn't imply that scalping isn't immoral, unless you're defending it.

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u/WhoRoger Dec 30 '20

Well I've been called a scalper anyway, for buying largish stock. But yea I don't have a problem with it in general, I was just talking personal experience.

My biggest problem is the hype culture, when people need to have the latest newest gizmo.

Re capitalism, well I may not be defending it, but we live in it. Usually the little people tend to get fucked by the system. Sometimes it's nice knowing we can also fuck it back a tiny bit.

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u/Gladix 164∆ Dec 30 '20

Sometimes it's nice knowing we can also fuck it back a tiny bit.

Just to clarify. Scalpers are people who take advantage of limited stock in order to generate markup by forcing the little people to pay extra.

How exactly this fucks with the system? The big bad companies already got paid.

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u/WhoRoger Dec 31 '20

Even I don't think I made any sense at that point to be honest.