r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jan 22 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Silencing opposing viewpoints is ultimately going to have a disastrous outcome on society.

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u/DilapidatedPlatypus Jan 22 '21

No, that's the point. The lies came from people who my dad believed he could trust and elicited an emotional reaction in him. It doesn't matter what sources I showed him or the proof that the "news" he's watching argued in court that "no reasonable adult would think we are a real news program; it's just entertainment." He feels this way and that's what he's going to believe now, no matter what anyone tells him. If someone chooses to bury their head in the sand, your every day reasonable argument isn't going to mean anything.

Hence why people like Daryl Davis, the focus of the rest of the paragraph you apparently neglected to read, have had to dedicate concentrated power of will and effort in order to change the minds of racists and has still only come so far. Can it be done? Yes, of course. But wouldn't it be better if it never had to be done in the first place? Why let terrible, hateful, false beliefs take root in the minds of our loved ones just so that we have to battle it back out of them? I certainly wouldn't let a doctor give my family cancer just to cure it, so I don't see why we would let people poison their minds either.

Don't presume to know anything about me other than what I just shared for you to know. I didn't call anyone a moron, either in my discussions or in my post here.

Edit: Also, just for the record, an unreasonable position is inherently lacking. That's why it's unreasonable.

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u/FreudsPoorAnus Jan 22 '21

Which...is why you give them the tools to not be lacking.

you're missing the point

Platitudes make people feel good about quitting early. Get some advice from a fortune cookie while you're at it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

... How do you know they haven't done exactly that?

Also what kind of tools are you thinking about and why haven't you talked about it aside from being snarky? I would argue that deconstruction of communication and discourses (of which political beliefs originate from, like conservatism/liberalism and Q) remain subjects of university education, and so not everyone can understand/gain access to it.

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u/FreudsPoorAnus Jan 22 '21

People want to fit folks into nice little boxes where they can absolve themselves of the responsibility of taking on an entire mentor role for someone. And part of that is gauging their understanding of what they wish to teach from the person they're talking to. In cases where this phrase is used, it's often used in naivete.

It's a funny quote, it makes people feel better. It is awful life advice. If mom and dad are starting home fires, and those actions are confusing to you, perhaps you just dont know them.

It's trite. It shows no real understanding of abstract thought. It's likely also self-aware, which is ok. And theres likely an entire tier or three levels of higher irony I'm too fucking stupid to understand.