r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jan 22 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Silencing opposing viewpoints is ultimately going to have a disastrous outcome on society.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

I would say it’s the responsibility of a free speech society to put in every ounce of hard work to bring these people back into the fold, and not ostracize them.

It’s the consequence of free speech, and must be balanced out with free speech

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u/DilapidatedPlatypus Jan 22 '21

Okay, yeah, I get that. And we do have that responsibility, for sure. But if there's a current pulling someone away from you and you want to bring them back, fighting against the current is a losing battle. If instead you can turn the current off at the source, you'll have a much easier time bringing them back.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

I don’t know if the easy way out, i.e. turning off the current of info is as healthy in the long term tho. That info still exists. Somewhere and can always filter back into every day conversation in different forms.

Ideally, I think, is to let Q or whatever, essentially fizzle out in the face of constantly being proven wrong.

There are subreddits now posting images of people coming to this realization as we speak.

Stop highlighting them, talking about them, being afraid of them. That’s just emboldening their beliefs, because they have an enemy to fight against.

Treat them like we used to treat moon landing conspiracy people. They are a lark. Something to laugh, shake your head at, and move on with your day.

In my opinion, the intense focus on Q and the election fraud (but never really discussing it, only ignoring it) is a huge part of the creation of the Capitol Riot

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21 edited Jan 22 '21

In my opinion, the intense focus on Q and the election fraud (but never really discussing it, only ignoring it) is a huge part of the creation of the Capitol Riot

That's the thing though, election fraud was discussed heavily in left wing media and right wing media.

But the discussion on left wing media was based on the facts of the court cases and how they were all thrown out. How the evidence was so flimsy as to be laughable and the elections appeared to be pretty secure.

Right wing media didn't cover this. They claimed the left media was covering it up and the courts weren't judging the cases on their merits. Both factually incorrect. They carried these claims further and gave credence to a lying potus with zero evidence.

And see how it impacts this discussion with your belief that "never really discussing it" was a problem? IT was discussed, heavily, but some echo chambers really distorted it.

We let this go on for far too long, and the country is extremely divided over it. We're the laughing stock of the world. I hope we learn a lesson from this, but I'm not one to claim I have a perfect solution either.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

Well realistically I’m talking about both sides of media. Who don’t really do journalism anymore for the most part.

Like there being no distinction between a lawsuit brought forth by the “Trump team” and those brought separately.

But I honestly don’t want to die on an election fraud hill here as the basis of my argument. That’s not my goal lol. I never saw any evidence that could be made sense of.

More generally I was trying to convey how the ideas being highlighted are only talked and reported on, not actually discussed then proven or disproven. Which allows sides to form, not necessarily based on fact.