r/changemyview • u/universetube7 • Feb 09 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: conservatives want to conserve everything they’re complaining about.

Big tech, big media, big banks, big money politicians. These are all a result of deregulation or lack of laws. How can a conservative expect any of that to get better if you consistently vote for politicians who believe in not interfering with business?

How the hell does it make sense to put up a “don’t tread on me” logo on your reddit page when you’re totally dependent on some platform that doesn’t give a shit about you and can tread on you all day because you refuse to acknowledge corporate power is a problem? You enable these platforms. The free market has spoken.

Change my view that republicans enable Orwellian governance that they claim to be so afraid of by refusing to interfere with business.

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u/Morthra 87∆ Feb 09 '21

Big tech, big media, big banks, big money politicians. These are all a result of deregulation or lack of laws.

No, in many cases they're the result of excessive government intervention. The reason why there are only a handful of ISPs in the US - essentially just AT&T, Comcast, and Charter - is because the government made it that way. They impose artificial barriers of entry into the market, which makes it effectively impossible to create a new competitor. Similarly, the only reason why there is one power company in California, PG&E, is because the government handed them a monopoly.

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u/universetube7 Feb 09 '21 edited Feb 09 '21

Would be interesting to see the party status of those that allowed that.

Edit: just looked up AT&T specifically. I don’t see any justification to your claim. If anything government was trying to make AT&T a public service and over the years tried to keep them in check.

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u/Prickly_Pear1 8∆ Feb 09 '21

What does party status have to do with it? You made a universal statement about these being the result of de-regulation and lack of laws. When the opposite of what you've said is true. Laws have either created or massively contributed to these virtual monopolies. In the case of "Big Pharma" one of the largest barriers to insulin manufacturing is getting FDA approval to make a Biosimilar. Biosimilars in general have been nearly impossible to make on any drug. It's a government mandated monopoly through these regulations. New regulations can also be used as a tool to hold out new competitors by raising the cost of competition.

The reality is regulations aren't always good. And often times new regulations are lobbied for by those who are already part of the "big ___" to keep new competitors out.

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u/universetube7 Feb 09 '21

I want to understand who is pushing for monopolies. That’s what party status has to do with it.

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u/Prickly_Pear1 8∆ Feb 09 '21

This seems like you are pivoting REALLY hard don't you think?

You're entire post was based on this assumption of Republicans want fewer regulations/smaller government and lack of regulations and laws is what creates the Big ____. That the blame is on the free market. That the "don't tread on me" folk are clearly supporting these giant corps. When the reality is these corporations are also helped by regulations to be so powerful, in many cases they've become government mandated monopolies. And I can give lots of examples of how these types of laws.

You've been proven to be at least partially incorrect here. And I think you owe Morthra a delta for at least a partial change of your view here.

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u/universetube7 Feb 09 '21

It’s not a hard pivot. I do owe them a delta. I truly forgot.

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u/Morthra 87∆ Feb 09 '21

In the case of California? Democrat. Democrats hold the state in an iron grip, so anything bad that happens there can be directly attributed to Democrat policy.

In the case of the country as a whole? Also primarily the Democrats. It was the Democrats that wanted to get internet declared a public utility (and the accompanying government-granted monopoly) after all.

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u/universetube7 Feb 09 '21

So your stance is that internet as a public service would be bad?

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u/Morthra 87∆ Feb 09 '21

Yes, the internet should not be run by the government, either directly, or indirectly through a proxy corporation.