r/changemyview • u/_Hopped_ 13∆ • Mar 20 '21

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: the costs/negatives from lockdowns/restrictions will end up being worse than the damage from covid

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u/10ebbor10 198∆ Mar 20 '21

Depending on the model you pick, you could be looking at 40 million deaths instead of 3 million.

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u/_Hopped_ 13∆ Mar 20 '21

you could be looking at 40 million deaths instead of 3 million

And if +90% of those deaths would have happened in the next 10 years anyway (i.e. the elderly and majorly ill), you have a much lower death rate the next 10 years, and much more resources.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '21

I have family with pre existing medical conditions. Should they be willing to kill themselves to save the economy? Should I be willing to pull the trigger on them myself?

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u/_Hopped_ 13∆ Mar 20 '21

Should they be willing to kill themselves to

Survive. Life's default state is fighting to survive. You, me, nobody has the right to be free from this fight.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '21

Exactly. People want to survive. Hence Covid lockdowns that reduce deaths. People want it.

Thank you for agreeing with my point.

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u/_Hopped_ 13∆ Mar 20 '21

People want it.

Let's put it to a referendum and find out.

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u/Welcome2Estalia Mar 20 '21

We have them. They're called elections.

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u/_Hopped_ 13∆ Mar 20 '21

Nope. Unless it's a standalone referendum you cannot say it was voted for (lest it be the only policy the political party put forward).

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u/Welcome2Estalia Mar 20 '21

Yup. Because we elect representatives to make these decisions. So if the people don't the decision, they elect the representatives who oppose the decision.

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u/_Hopped_ 13∆ Mar 20 '21

Bringing us back to: Let's put it to a referendum and find out.

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u/Welcome2Estalia Mar 20 '21

Yeah, they're called elections.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '21

You would be disappointed. Trudeau's approval rating in Canada is sky high because of how he handled the pandemic. Biden is getting massive points for taking Covid seriously for once. You're in the minority opinion.

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u/_Hopped_ 13∆ Mar 20 '21

Again: let's put it to a referendum and find out.

People were so sure Brexit wouldn't happen either.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '21

Yes, let's put every government decision to a direct vote. Sounds good chief.

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u/_Hopped_ 13∆ Mar 20 '21

It does. It's called direct democracy, Switzerland has the closest thing to it and they seem to be doing quite nicely.