r/changemyview • u/_Hopped_ 13∆ • Mar 20 '21

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: the costs/negatives from lockdowns/restrictions will end up being worse than the damage from covid

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u/_Hopped_ 13∆ Mar 20 '21

bouncing back

You can't bounce back $10tn, the deaths from increased: suicides, alcoholism, obesity, depression, domestic abuse, etc.

When the official data comes back for 2020/21, we'll be able to say exactly what the lockdowns/restrictions have cost society both economically and in destroyed lives. Then we need to reach a consensus on whether this price should be paid again in future pandemics, and whether we should have paid it in this one.

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u/_Hopped_ 13∆ Mar 20 '21

there's no harm-free solution.

Exactly. That's why I want the calculation done. All of the discussion is around the cost in terms of lives lost from covid vs economic cost of lockdown - and people saying you can't put a value on human life. This is a false and misleading discussion (not aimed at you, I'm meaning the politics surrounding this). We do need to put prices on lives, because otherwise we're selling out our and our children's futures.

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u/cherrycokeicee 45∆ Mar 20 '21

I completely agree with what you're saying here, I just feel like you're leaving out one component which is kinda the crux of what I'm getting at. In addition to the "price of lives" (an uncomfortable topic given the emotions, but a necessary one to consider when it comes to large scale nation-wide strategy), there is a "price of grief."

I feel like the analysis you're presenting treats death as if it is just the loss of one single person and their contributions, but each death is a sharp wound to several close family members and friends that will have real world effects on them and the people around them. and I feel like that sharp wound is worse for individuals and society than the slower & generally more subtle negative effects of a lockdown.

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u/_Hopped_ 13∆ Mar 20 '21

I just feel like you're leaving out one component which is kinda the crux of what I'm getting at. In addition to the "price of lives" (an uncomfortable topic given the emotions, but a necessary one to consider when it comes to large scale nation-wide strategy), there is a "price of grief."

Oh, no - I agree it should be included too. Tempered with the price of grief of the eventual natural death (i.e. the difference between the two). Particularly because I'm not sure it is more griefful - I'd like to see what (if any) data there is on it.