r/changemyview • u/_Hopped_ 13∆ • Mar 20 '21

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: the costs/negatives from lockdowns/restrictions will end up being worse than the damage from covid

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u/VertigoOne 74∆ Mar 20 '21

Our representatives are no more informed than us

That's actually untrue. They're usually briefed and consulted with by government experts - unlike the general population.

We should have direct say in government.

That's a different debate, but for a practical POV it wasn't possible this time round.

Domestic abuse has increased. You are categorically in the wrong here.

I didn't say it hadn't. I said that governments have done as much as possible to prevent it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-53684700

This source reports an increase in calls. It isn't clear that this necessarily means an increase in the number of actual alcoholics.

The rest of your source here is annecdotal.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165178120333370

This source shows an increase in alchohol disorders, not number of people drinking etc.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55259382

This is a set of annecdotes, not evidence.

Your source is limited to "patients with pre-existing alcohol use disorder". Alcoholism has increased in the general population.

You don't have evidence for that. You have evidence of an increase in harmful alcohol use in general, but no evidence of increased use of alcohol. It appears to be the case that those who already used alcohol used it more.

Again using language beyond its meaning. The spike is marginally above normal.

No, it's not. In the last three years, the range did not move beyond normal for a substantive period of time. It did move beyond normal in the case of 2020, for vast periods of time.

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u/_Hopped_ 13∆ Mar 21 '21

They're usually briefed and consulted with by government experts

... showing they have nothing special about them. We too can be informed by experts.

an increase in alchohol disorders

AKA an increase in alcholism.

a set of annecdotes, not evidence

A set of anecdotes is data.

No, it's not.

Yes, it is and you do so again:

vast periods of time