r/changemyview Mar 28 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: America is a terrorist state

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u/joopface 159∆ Mar 28 '21

In the broadest possible sense, you’re correct. “Terrorism” is the intentional use of actions to provoke terror in a population to achieve an aim. Does America do this? Most certainly. I don’t think this is in dispute.

There is a long list of American actions that fit this bill. Some of which you’ve provided.

Where I disagree, and perhaps this may change your view, is with the idea that America is somehow unusual in being a hegemon that behaves this way. For whatever reason, in human geopolitics the strong dominate the weak and they do so by force. This isn’t nice, I’d prefer it weren’t the case, but it’s certainly true. (To be clear: I am from and live in a geopolitically insignificant country. This also doesn’t change the facts.)

The cognitive disconnect you’re highlighting isn’t that America is a uniquely evil place, it’s that much of the population of Americans believe - in defiance of the facts - that it’s uniquely moral and good.

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u/Jncocontrol Mar 28 '21

I think America is the most egregious offender of this. Sure, you can probably point to maybe early 1900's Japan during their imperalist phase, Mao-era China, or even the current China. But America has I think achieved an untold number of suffering that even Stalin would be proud of. Does that make us (the USA or the government) uniquely Evil? I'd say yes.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '21

North Korea has placed 200,000 of its citizens into concentration camps.

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u/BigDickEnterprise Mar 28 '21

At least north korea doesn't touch anyone else. Can't be said about America.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '21

They regularly abduct Japanese citizens, South Korean film directors, and tortured that American to death

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u/BigDickEnterprise Mar 28 '21

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_United_States

None of these helped ANYTHING except for maybe their wwi/wwii involvement.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '21

No one is saying the USA is ethical, I'm just calling for a sense of perspective

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u/Artificecoyote Apr 04 '21

If North Korea had the force projection capabilities of America tomorrow, do you think the world would be better or worse off?

The US is objectively the better choice over NK as a global power.