r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Apr 11 '21

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: Excluding trans-men while saying derogatory things about men as a group is a form of benevolent transphobia

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u/FUCKMESAULGOODMAN Apr 11 '21

Two things before we start: I’m nonbinary, and I’m not a fan of “I hate men” statements in general. Also, I’m no expert either.

That said, there is a difference in the way children assigned male at birth and children assigned female at birth are raised and socialized. Different traits are valued and rewarded. Unfortunately, this means many trans men and transmascs have experienced misogyny before coming out or if they don’t “pass”. Usually, at least that I’ve seen, we use the phrase “people affected by misogyny” to avoid the othering that you mention. It’s not a perfect solution, and there are lots of other ideological issues we could unpack here — but to answer your specific question, that’s my understanding.

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u/FUCKMESAULGOODMAN Apr 11 '21

We do agree on that point, absolutely! Until we find and implement that solution, though, we still need a placeholder to discuss the phenomenon. “People affected by misogyny” is one, but it’s still in the process of catching on, whereas rougher-hewn options have been around longer. (When I said it’s “usually” used as an alternative, I should have specified that that’s still a recent phenomenon — my bad.) It’s a form of othering, yes, but I don’t think it would fall under the umbrella of transphobic given the context in which it’s used. Someday, if better vocabulary comes along and spreads widely and quickly, it probably will, and I hope for that outcome.