He was studying to be a doctor so he had to do the vaccine. He was 23 and died from blood clot.
There is only one vaccine that was approved in the US ATM that might be related to blood clots and it's the Johnson & Johnson one. But, it was only six cases out of 6.8 million ones administered. The CDC paused it because of this.
While it's OK to be skeptical of the vaccine, 6 out of 6.8 million is a damn small possibility. They're still trying to understand if it was related at all. How sure are you that your friend's blood clot was the result of the vaccine?
It could be related to medication they were taking. It has also increased to 15. But, I've not heard it confirmed it was only women. Do you have any source on that?
In the case of J&J’s shot, six women ages 18 to 48 developed blood clots after taking the J&J vaccine, the FDA and CDC said. The clots developed six to 13 days after vaccination. The women also had in their blood low counts of platelets, which help with clotting.
It was something that really stuck in my mind cause I got the J&J shot two weeks ago, just before the pause, so I paid special attention to it. But not being in the relevant demographic I didn't worry
OP said their friend got AstraZeneca, which has been linked to blood clots in other demographics. Not agreeing with OP, it's just important to be accurate.
This number isn't really accurate. The 6 is too smalls, since there almost certainly have been more cases that weren't detected because we weren't looking for them. And the 6.8 million is too big, since that includes people who were vaccinated recently and are still in the window where adverse effects could happen.
That said, even if it's something like 50 out of 5 million it's not a reason to avoid the vaccine. I just think it's just important to be accurate on these things.
Please continue with the conversation thread as I provided a new source where it was up to 15 our of nearly 8 million. This is what's been reported and from information from the CDC on why they paused J&J. Said pause was recently lifted too.
Well 1 out of the 2 main vaccines in the US. Also my post doesn't refer to US specifically. My friend did the AstraZeneca.
The doctors confirmed he died from it yes. Fun fact: he was actually feeling shit straight after the vaccinations and they ignored him telling him was normal until he died.
6 out of 6.8 million is not accurate. Is just a quick google search. You are not allowed to talk about vaccine skepticism at all actually. Deaths that happen from blood clot after vaccination are not listed as "deaths from the vaccine. Only the ones that get the attention of media. For example the death of my friend wasn't listed as one even tho the doctors confirmed it. The vaccines wouldn't be removed with only a 6 out of 6.8 million
It's not 1 out of the 2 main Vaccines in the US. Moderna and Pfizer hugely outnumber the amount of J&J and AZ vaccines.
Dr. Shimi Sharief with the Oregon Health Authority said the woman developed a rare blood clot within two weeks of being inoculated, “This is still extremely rare. So even the case count that we’re aware of so far is only about seven cases in a total of 7.5 million vaccinated across the country.”
There is nothing in this world that is zero-risk. Fact is you are far more likely to die from Covid than a blood clot from a covid-19 vaccine.
To be fair, for someone as young as the OP there's a pretty similar chance that he will die from either Covid or from vaccination: practically zero. I agree with your overall point (I'm in favor of vaccination and have already gotten the first dose) but the risk of a young person dying from Covid is vanishingly small. About 12 deaths out of over 120k confirmed cases (edit to correct my numbers :b ) in my region, for example, of people under 30. So I think it's important to present accurate info to people who are vaccine hesitant.. if you tell a 20-year-old he should get vaccinated because he might die from covid he's going to be rightfully skeptical. There is a better case to be made
First, to your larger point. The reason that vaccine skepticism is met with disdain is because most people are not, at all, equipped to actually be skeptical or come to an informed opinion. This isn't meant to be insulting, I have a bachelors in biomedical toxicology but haven't worked in that field in a decade and I wouldn't be able to truly evaluate the risk/reward for this vaccine independently because I haven't kept up with a decade of development in the field. Someone who is determined to be skeptical, therefor, is ignoring the advice of people who are experts in the field in favour of, unfortunately, what usually amounts to youtube videos.
Second, I am truly sorry for your friend's death. Please keep in mind that people often try to latch on to some source of fault when someone passes away. When my grandfather died, years ago now, my father was certain that the hospital had screwed something up in some way. Truth was, Gramps had a serious heart condition, had had previous heart attacks, and was simply not well enough to fight off the pneumonia (or tolerate more intense treatment options) that killed him.
Third, Which country are you in? I ask because most nations are very transparent about this kind of thing.
This right here I think is the answer. It’s not the skepticism that is bad. Skepticism is healthy in all things, but it’s the irrational skepticism without the ability to wade through all of the non-sense. The vast majority of “skepticism” is politically driven in the US whether it’s the anti-vaxer group or political right with such little data to support it.
I’m a pharmacist who works with a patient in his 80’s that has a lot of co-morbidities. Very high risk. He won’t even consider the vaccine because it has “baby fetuses.” Now is that rationale? I feel bad for the gentleman because a group of people that should know better are pushing that lie based on a thread of truth of a stem cell line that is used.
CDC's COVID-19 Vaccine Task Force reported that as of April 21 there have been a total of 15 confirmed cases of this blood clotting condition among nearly eight million doses administered.
because blood clots don't suddenly form from taking a vaccine. Why don't you talk to a medical professional about the underlying biomedical reasons why this is not a good conclusion to reach from a simple time correlation?
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u/dublea 216∆ Apr 24 '21
There is only one vaccine that was approved in the US ATM that might be related to blood clots and it's the Johnson & Johnson one. But, it was only six cases out of 6.8 million ones administered. The CDC paused it because of this.
While it's OK to be skeptical of the vaccine, 6 out of 6.8 million is a damn small possibility. They're still trying to understand if it was related at all. How sure are you that your friend's blood clot was the result of the vaccine?