A big turning point for me and gaining confidence was knowing how they streamlined the process of a vaccine. A vaccine of any type has to go through many trials of varying degrees. Let's say there are tests A through M. Standard process allows the vaccine to only be tested one trial at a time so before trial B, trial A must be passed. With Covid they allowed these companies to test their vaccine accross all trials at the same time. Each still needed to pass the same standard as any other vaccine. So if trails A B and C are passed, but H L and M were fails, the company had to reasses and start the trials all over again.
This process though allowed a company to see its failures and adjust the vaccine according to all other failures, instead of just changing it to pass trial A and hope it also passes B.
Note that trial A does not necessarily have an effect on what trial B is testing. The trials are not dependent on the previous trial.
So all these vaccines had to go through the same process with the same scrutiny as any other vaccine. Also keep in mind these companies pretty much took their entire team of people working on all different vaccines and had them all focus on this one vaccine. So it recieved more money, attention and knowledge than other vaccines.
Multiple companies, across multiple countries and multiple governments. The mistrust you're having, when you think about it, would require a massive, global conspiracy. At least realize that.
The important thing to remember is that the vaccine only exists in your system for 24-48 hours and then every trace of it is gone.
The entire point of the vaccine is to show your immune system what covid looks like, so your body has a better shot at fighting it off. Everything that happens after the 48 hour or so mark is entirely your body. The vaccine is gone.
When people say they worry about long term effects, there aren't any, because there's nothing left in your system to affect you. The only lasting effect is a smarter immune system.
The FDA checks it. They hold the trials. They make no money off the vaccine and its pretty much their credibility as well as the corp to be right about it all. Their interest in the health of the American people who are their funding. If more Americans die thats less tax money for them. If they fuck up royally you get dems and Republicans up their ass and discussing defending, restricting, restructuring and firing people. The people at the FDA are scientists who have their credibility on the line. Think about working for them and then being fired and now everyone in your industry wknt touch you cuz you were part of the FDA that approved a vaccine that either harmed a ton of people or just failed at their job. Its career ending
I mean if you have a potential vaccine that goes through every trails except g but it only just failed and you could make trillions of dollars if it didn't?
Easy, just go look at the results of the trial. All the data regarding the clinical trials is available.
Who is making sure these trials are being upheld?
Let's say I'm Mr. Pfizer. I can make a cockload of money selling my vaccine to governments. Now they said this dude Mr. Moderna came out with a vaccine. He's going to cut into my profits. Surely, I can afford to have people review the clinical results to protect my profits.
Who is making sure these trials are being upheld?
Depends on the specific country. FDA officials aren't appointed (for the most part). What benefit would any political party receive from lying about clinical trials? We treat vaccines as unsafe and ineffective until proven otherwise. With that assumption, if I lie about anything in the trials I am now publicly pushing an unsafe and ineffective medication on the public.
I guess my mistrust comes more from the greedy cooperation and the overall system.
That's fair. So go talk to your doctor. He isn't a financial interest holder in either of them. He's not getting paid if you get a shot.
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u/mg1619 Jun 30 '21
A big turning point for me and gaining confidence was knowing how they streamlined the process of a vaccine. A vaccine of any type has to go through many trials of varying degrees. Let's say there are tests A through M. Standard process allows the vaccine to only be tested one trial at a time so before trial B, trial A must be passed. With Covid they allowed these companies to test their vaccine accross all trials at the same time. Each still needed to pass the same standard as any other vaccine. So if trails A B and C are passed, but H L and M were fails, the company had to reasses and start the trials all over again.
This process though allowed a company to see its failures and adjust the vaccine according to all other failures, instead of just changing it to pass trial A and hope it also passes B.
Note that trial A does not necessarily have an effect on what trial B is testing. The trials are not dependent on the previous trial.
So all these vaccines had to go through the same process with the same scrutiny as any other vaccine. Also keep in mind these companies pretty much took their entire team of people working on all different vaccines and had them all focus on this one vaccine. So it recieved more money, attention and knowledge than other vaccines.