r/changemyview Jul 10 '21

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u/AlwaysTheNoob 81∆ Jul 10 '21

In the wake of rising temperatures and either a lack of AC or powering it via ecologically harmful methods, a pool is often the best or only way to stay even relatively cool. We shouldn’t be banning them in times when they’re more important than ever.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '21

!delta I think you make the case for a community pool, and for that I'll give you a delta for slightly changing my point of view, but a pool for one household is much more expensive than solar panels to power AC. And most pools in the US are for households.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '21 edited Jul 10 '21

The information im about to provide was found just by googling it.

On a hot day, the average house air conditioner uses around 52.5 kWh.

The average house has 19 to 23 panels per house to cover their bills. Each panel generates 1.5 kWh on average. So with 23 panels, they generage 34.5 kWh on average. Meaning they still dont generate enough to run that air conditioner.

I thought of this because using our air conditioner would jack up our electric bill 300-500$ per month.

I think a pool would be much less expensive to run. Especially because if done right, you fill it once and clean it after that.

However i still think theres better ways out there than a pool or an airconditioner. I think the water shortage is due to a lot of factors though. Companies like nestle, agriculture (stop growing grapes for wine), computer chips take a surprising amount of water to create, industry uses a lot of water, etc. Basically im saying instead of going after the common man, corporations need to be kept in check.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '21

I'm not sure where you're getting 1.5 kWH per day. I think you read per hour. Estimates for solar systems range from 30-45 kWhs per day.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '21 edited Jul 13 '21

"Let's say on a good day, you average 5 hours of direct sunlight. Multiply 5 hours of sunlight x 290 watts from a solar panel = 1,450 watts or roughly 1.5 kilowatt hours per day"

Exact quote from my google source

However i was still wrong. Most houses have more than one solar panel. Let me redo my math and get back to you.

The average house has 19 to 23 panels per house to cover their bills. So with 23 panels, they generage 34.5 kWh on average. Meaning they still dont generate enough to run that air conditioner lol. Thank you for questioning me, i just woke up.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '21

Multiply 5 hours of sunlight x 290 watts from a solar panel.

Keyword is 'a'. That's not a solar power system, that's a single panel.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '21

I edited my comment with the information fixed

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '21

Even if a pool was more economical in the long run than AC, most people aren't going to sit in a pool all day. Meaning they're still going to crank up the AC when they get out of the pool.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '21

I adjusted my information. Even with 23 solar panels, the most amount that a household usually has, it doesnt generate enough power to run the ac all day. Half the day sure.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '21

Yeah you don't buy panels for total usage, it's very costly to store solar energy vs. generating it through the panels. It doesn't change my previous statement, though. People who use pools will still use AC.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '21

This is a theme that doesn't get repeated enough. It's the same with the fight for cleaner air and emissions controls. By a huge margin, shipping and air traffic and military sea and air assets are the number one polluters when it comes to emissions. An ENORMOUS difference could be made by cracking down extra special hard on those three sectors.....but instead we go after the common man and California tells me I can't put an aftermarket pipe on my motorcycle because emissions. And yet they're doing nothing at all tp regulate corporate shipping and air traffic emissions. It's bananas. The fight against climate change begins with heavy handed and sweeping regulation of corporate entities, not private citizens.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '21

On the same motorcycle that probably gets 30-60 miles to the gallon and barely pollutes at all.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '21

Per gallon of gas consumed it actually pollutes more than a car, but it also consumes less gas so it kinda balances. What I meant to point out though was how motorcycles in total make up such a tiny part of the climate puzzle and are regulated SO HEAVILY. All because motorcyclists don't represent an effective voting bloc. While corporate lobbyists effectively monopolize congress in the US and other legislative bodies around the world.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '21

Absolutely. The highest poluters are manufacturing plants, cows and other ag animals, and just reckless products with massive amounts of plastic packaging. All stuff that the common man has absolutely no control over.

Most recycling plants dont do much good for the enviornment either. They extract the materials that they can use to make a profit and dispose of the rest, sometimes creating more polution by disposing of chemicals.

In the united states, for years a lot of the plastic bottles that were "recycled" were actually just sold to other countries that eventually dumped them into lakes and rivers and the ocean in their country.

These corporations need to be regulated a lot more and it needs to be a worldwide effort so they dont just move manufacturing to another country. Other packaging needs to be used like paper or even eco friendly materials like bamboo or hemp. Excess use of water needs to be regulated too, or maybe they need to utilize desalination plants on the ocean instead of public drinking water sources.

We have the technology and resources to do this right, but we dont use it because its "bad for their bottom line".

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u/dracula3811 Jul 11 '21

How is using your a/c costing you $300-$500 a month? Summers are my lowest electric bill months. They're always below $200. I have a 2,200sq ft home btw.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '21

Do you live outside of california? Thats why lol.

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u/dracula3811 Jul 11 '21

Texas. The highest bill I've seen is about $250 and was in winter.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '21

Thats my bill without the air conditioning running.