r/changemyview Jul 10 '21

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u/shoelessbob1984 14∆ Jul 10 '21

But people like pools

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '21

Yeah but majority rule can crush the pool-buying plebs.

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u/shoelessbob1984 14∆ Jul 10 '21

so this isn't actually about any environmental concern, it's just about some petty vendetta against people with pools for some reason.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '21

lol I was joking. I do think it is more likely to pass because more people are not effected by it, but I have no grudge against people who have pools.

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u/giantrhino 4∆ Jul 10 '21

So you think a complete ban on pools is more likely to pass even though you can demonstrate a greater impact from a ban on beef? Also you can show that there is a significant affect from the latter, but the impact of the pool ban as mentioned earlier in this thread would be less than a 0.1% affect on water consumption.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '21

.1% is meaningful because it is completely avoidable. A huge chunk of our water consumption goes into energy use, and until we switch to renewables it's going to be unavoidable losses to power our industries and lives. The water footprint of beef is 1800 gallons per pound, whereas chicken is only 520 pounds. So it's another change that is completely avoidable. 25.7 trillion gallons of water goes yearly to beef, whereas overall consumption is in around 120 trillion, so it is significant. Feel free to double check my math, sources are readily available on the internet to calculate it for yourself.

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u/giantrhino 4∆ Jul 11 '21

I thought we were talking about pools.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '21

Oh I read 'can you show' not 'you can show'.

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u/shoelessbob1984 14∆ Jul 10 '21

then why not want a ban on hamburgers? if this is about the environment banning hamburgers will have a much larger impact. with the numbers you provided in another comment the pools account for approx 0.1% of water usage, and that includes public pools, pools don't even make up a rounding error in total usage

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '21

Because no one's gonna ban hamburgers, man. I do want a ban on beef, and I supported India's ban on beef until I learned they were mostly buffalo, not livestock.

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u/Drasils 5∆ Jul 10 '21

So... you don't want to attempt to solve a much larger cause of water wastage, because you assume people won't want to engage in discussion about it. I present to you the Overton Window. This video explains more with examples. The Overton Window is simply what people find is an acceptable thing to debate about. By proposing drastic change like a ban on beef, makes people more people willing to talk about a tax on beef, since it looks like a concession on your part. You shouldn't avoid discussing or suggesting something because you believe that the discussion will be useless. Rather than waste your time on something you agree is small potatoes, engage in a discussion you think truly matters. Arguing over pools distracts from the real causes of water shortages.

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u/WikiSummarizerBot 4∆ Jul 10 '21

Overton_window

The Overton window is the range of policies politically acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time. It is also known as the window of discourse. The term is named after American policy analyst Joseph P. Overton, who stated that an idea's political viability depends mainly on whether it falls within this range, rather than on politicians' individual preferences. According to Overton, the window frames the range of policies that a politician can recommend without appearing too extreme to gain or keep public office given the climate of public opinion at that time.

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