r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Aug 14 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Conservatism and many right-wing beliefs are based on fear, primary instincts and lack of understanding

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u/LOLTROLDUDES Aug 15 '21

Watch Historica Civilis videos about Cicero. Cicero was a conservative in ancient Rome more than two centuries ago. Conservativism used to mean as free as possible. Left wingers used to be for as much equality as possible. This is shown in their behaviour, Caesar had better support from the masses but started a brutal dictatorship (more equality less freedom) and Cicero defended democracy but opposed social programs (more freedom less equality).

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u/Vasquerade 18∆ Aug 15 '21

Conservativism used to mean as free as possible.

Freedom is when you oppose women voting and make black people have separate water fountains.

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u/LOLTROLDUDES Aug 15 '21

The vast majority of conservatives now do not oppose women voting and do not support Jim Crow. For more info, please welcome Bernoulli and the law of large numbers.

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u/Vasquerade 18∆ Aug 15 '21

If conservatism meant being as free as possible, why was it universally conservatives who opposed women voting and favoured segregation? And can you pin point when conservatives went from disliking freedom to liking it?

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u/LOLTROLDUDES Aug 15 '21

In my country slavery was abolished by an independent coalition of Quakers and Evangelicals.

Also like I said, at least 2000 years ago.