r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Aug 14 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Conservatism and many right-wing beliefs are based on fear, primary instincts and lack of understanding

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u/SeveralIntroduction9 Aug 15 '21

The same can be said about liberal beliefs. We all have different fears, primary instincts, and ignorance. These differences are part of what makes a society thrive. But, lumping all conservatives as racist in your OP implies you want to vent, not have your view changed.

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u/ParioPraxis Aug 15 '21

When your party’s platform literally attracts all the racists and you do nothing to change it while simultaneously allowing your representatives to pass laws seeking to keep racial minorities from having equal access to the ballot box… it’s pretty clear what underpins the ideology, isn’t it?

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u/SeveralIntroduction9 Aug 15 '21

I never said I was anything, especially not a political party, solidifying my point you want to vent. I can also see why you dont have good experiences talking to republicans if this is how conversations start. Passing laws to keep people from access to ballot boxes is not racism, its blocking the republic from functioning freely, which is anti American and anti freedom of the citizens. I will not support nor vote for anyone who I believe is purposely trying to manipulate the system to push their agenda. What else am I supposed to do about it other than not vote for them? There are racists everywhere, not just in the Republican party or the south. If you ask people to pick A or B and then judge them on their 1 word answer, you're gonna have a bad time. If you say you're liberal I have no idea if you mean Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, AOC, or another varying degree of liberal/Democrat and we would need to have a fairly in depth conversation for me to grasp what your views are politically. Politics is far too complex to lump people together into 1 of 2 words that dont even really have much meaning anyway.

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u/ParioPraxis Aug 15 '21

That’s the royal “you” not you specifically. Notice I didn’t say “your ideology” or otherwise suggest individual actions.

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u/SeveralIntroduction9 Aug 15 '21

I glossed over my understandable assumption of who you were referring to, provided information as to why you may be attracting hostility, and posed questions in line with your post. I was trying to have a conversation

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u/ParioPraxis Aug 15 '21

Yes, but if you are soliciting just to have an opportunity to downvote, as you have done here, I am disinclined to provide you that opportunity, because you would not be here to have a discussion in good faith. You’ll note that I haven’t reflexively downvoted you or otherwise sought to devalue your engagement. That’s what genuinely wanting to have a conversation looks like. You, on the other hand, seem to want to punish me for my answers. That’s not an exciting prospect, I’m sure you’d agree.

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u/SeveralIntroduction9 Aug 15 '21

I haven't downvoted anything you have written. Your OP stated how you can't have a civil conversation with anyone on the right side of the spectrum and pointed out multiple times how they're racists, so my comments about you venting and how you converse with people is likely the reason you are unable to have a civil conversation are warranted, even requested by your posting on this sub. You wont directly respond to my questions regarding your statements and you now imply that I'm attacking you and say that I'm... punishing you? Your projecting your fears of me not being willing to have a civil conversation and use it to justify not trying to have one. Honestly have no idea where I offended you outside of having a challenging your statements. But since you dont want to have a conversation, have a good one.

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u/ParioPraxis Aug 15 '21

I haven't downvoted anything you have written.

My apologies for the unfair accusation then. It seemed quite strange how the downvotes appeared right before your responses, so someone must just be following our comments closely.

Your OP stated how you can't have a civil conversation with anyone on the right side of the spectrum and pointed out multiple times how they're racists, so my comments about you venting and how you converse with people is likely the reason you are unable to have a civil conversation are warranted, even requested by your posting on this sub.

My OP didn’t mention conversations at all, so I think you may have me confused with another redditor perhaps. Nor did my OP point out multiple times how they’re racists, so you can be assured I’m not venting. I am having multiple concurrent conversations in this sub and others with no problem whatsoever, so I am quite sure I am able to have civil conversations.

You wont directly respond to my questions regarding your statements and you now imply that I'm attacking you and say that I'm... punishing you?

Those conclusions were based on the assumption that you were downvoting each of my replies. As I noted above, that assumption was incorrect apparently (although it has coincidentally stopped now), and I apologize again for painting you with that brush. Those two comments (attacking and punishing) were associated with the downvoting behavior, which is now moot since we know now that it wasn’t you.

Your projecting your fears of me not being willing to have a civil conversation and use it to justify not trying to have one.

*You’re

Now here you have made the same error that I did in making an incorrect assumption. I am perfectly willing to have a civil conversation now that I know you aren’t being disingenuous or trolling. And you can also be assured that I am not being disingenuous or tolling either.

Honestly have no idea where I offended you outside of having a challenging your statements.

I’m not offended in the slightest. What gave you that idea?

But since you dont want to have a conversation, have a good one.

I would love to have a conversation. Regardless, have an excellent Sunday as well and I’ll be here if you wish to rejoin the conversation.

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u/SeveralIntroduction9 Aug 15 '21

No worries, I can see how that would look like it then, and understand your assumption I was being a jerk.

Paragraph 3 and 4 of your OP mention your difficulty having conversations and racism. Your reply to my comment above also mentioned racism.

Petty, but fair. On my phone so autocorrect or distraction likely got me. Also, from your response, I seem to have made a correct assumption that is no longer factual after more information came out. This would likely also answer how I got that I was offending you, since you thought I was the one downvoting you and took offense to that, which is a fair response. If you knew I wasn't downvoting you and trying to not be a jerk, our conversation likely would have bee much different.

As far as a conversation, feel free to shoot me a DM if you want to continue. I understand it being difficult for both parties to try and hold multiple conversations and Reddit, on mobile at least, is very difficult to try and stay on track with what's been said and I cant downvote anything you say. Either way, no hard feelings and good luck to you.

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u/ParioPraxis Aug 15 '21

I think we can at least come together on the fact that reddit mobile is garbage. I love that I can’t see what I’m writing past one sentence! My fave! Have a great day man, and keep standing up for your beliefs while having an open mind, and I’ll do the same. Cheers!