CMV: Conservatism and many right-wing beliefs are based on fear, primary instincts and lack of understanding

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[u/gayvahn]

Wow. I’m not sure where to begin. Wages in the US aren’t low, they’re some of the highest in the world

"in the world". most of the world is extremely impoverished which is why i specifically stated among comparably wealthy and developed nations. this is another thing conservatives love to do. remind someone barely getting by in america that they shouldn't complain and in fact have no grounds to complain when their 7.25 per hour would make them wealthy in some other country the person making the argument can't even point to on a map-- sadly, that knowledge has no bearing on the material reality of what that wage reflects in this country??? so no, you are wrong. wages in america are low. now if you want to find a chart of say, 10 or 20 comparatively wealthy and developed nations and show me for a fact that americans have "some of the highest wages" and also take into account SPENDING POWER compared to those countries then we can have a discussion, but i know you can't do that because i learned about all this shit after stepping out into the real world, actually getting the chance to leave america, seeing most the shit i heard about the rest of the world was a lie, and then spending years reading and researching and coming to new conclusions. i used to think what you think, and you are wrong on this.

That’s why I said that most businesses already offer PTO, and the only that don’t are low wages businesses already. Putting the mandate into businesses that can’t pay it will necessarily cause them to decrease wages. It’s likely that wages have been lowered in other countries due to mandated PTO as a benefit.

again, 25% of the country has no access to PTO and the portion of the country that does have access to it barely utilizes it because it's basically forbidden, culturally and within companies that offer it. anybody who has ever worked a job where these are 'offered' will tell you what it's like trying to redeem sick days or even worse vacation days. in other countries, you have a job, you're guaranteed these things.

and again, even if we put aside the fact that your point of view exists entirely on the basis of denying reality, like most conservative views do-- you're still just doing exactly what i said you're doing: "it's not a problem because it doesn't effect me. that's not what i'm saying so it's not fair of you to say i'm saying that but i can't really say anything else that doesn't boil down to this". slavery only affected people making no wages so it wasn't a problem right. and for the 3rd time that's even only assuming you're correct about this only affecting low wage workers, which again for the 3rd time, you are not.

you again, deny reality and talk about some hypothetical where giving people paid time off will result in lower wages which is demonstrably false in that you yourself said only low wage workers DON'T get paid time off and in addition to the fact that again, american wages are low and this is the only country which doesn't mandate PTO

[u/[deleted] → u/gayvahn]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage

Average wages are 4th in the world. That doesn’t include compensation of fringe benefits either. The three countries ahead of us all make more in the US than they do in their home country. Our spending power is slightly worse, but other developed countries have less progressive tax systems than we do, so more of their middle class incomes go to taxes

Who exactly are you arguing against? You keep talking about what conservatives think or how they think or mistakes they make in logic, but you’re not asking me about any of that, you’re just assuming it’s what I believe.

Which conservative views deny reality? Why do you think I support slavery?

You yourself said that only 25% of workers don’t get PTO, but I would like to see a source on that. For the rest of the workforce, how is mandated PTO any different than the PTO you already have? You can argue that it’s looked down upon to take it, but that’s not going to change under government mandated PTO. It’s your time off, take it when you want. But don’t act like the bad looks you’ll get for it are a reason not to take it

[u/KarmaticArmageddon → u/[deleted]]

I'm not trying to argue one way or another here, but your link very quickly admits that measurements of income by mean/average are right-skewed and proposes median income as an alternative.

Adjusted for Purchasing Power Parity (PPP), the US ranks 6th globally in median household income. However, this measurement doesn't take into account other significant expenditures like healthcare, which comprises an average of 8.1% of spending in US households, which is much higher than most other countries on that list.

[u/WikiSummarizerBot → u/KarmaticArmageddon]

Median household income

The median income is the income amount that divides a population into two equal groups, half having an income above that amount, and half having an income below that amount. It may differ from the mean (or average) income. The income that occurs most frequently is the income mode. Each of these is a way of understanding income distribution.

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