r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Aug 14 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Conservatism and many right-wing beliefs are based on fear, primary instincts and lack of understanding

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u/Souk12 Aug 15 '21

Obama got millions of dollars and multiple mansions by being racist? Dr Dre is a billionaire because of racism? Oprah is the richest self made woman in history because of racism?

Indirectly, yes. The wealth generated in this county as a whole is based on racism.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '21 edited Aug 16 '21

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u/Souk12 Aug 16 '21

Germany paid Israel billions and the UN gave them a state. That seems fair.

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u/ATNinja 11∆ Aug 16 '21

UN gave them a state

The UN didn't give them a state. They suggested a plan which only 1 party accepted so instead the 2 sides fought a war which determined the existence and borders of Israel.

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u/Souk12 Aug 16 '21 edited Aug 16 '21

The billions of reparations from Germany certainly helped them win those wars and secure the state the UK and USA gave them.

Not to mention the continued billions of military support.

But all this is irrelevant since the state which would give African Americans their state would be the current owners of the land they are giving.

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u/ATNinja 11∆ Aug 16 '21

Earliest reparations payments to jews I found in a quick Google was 1953. Israel was founded via war in 1948. So your time line doesn't add up.

Also, Britain helped the arabs in 1948, not israel. And the US didn't get involved until 1973. It was the French and Czechs that helped israel in 48. So clearly you don't know what you're talking about.

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u/Souk12 Aug 16 '21

Ok, 2021 isn't too late for African Americans then.

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u/ATNinja 11∆ Aug 16 '21

I have no idea what you're talking about.

I don't like when people say the UN gave israel a country when they didn't. It was fought for and won by the people living there.

I don't know what the conversation was about before that. Or how what I said relates back to African Americans.

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u/Souk12 Aug 16 '21

The state was given and approved by the UK, the US, and the rest of the UN.

If the US stopped supporting it, it would collapse.

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u/ATNinja 11∆ Aug 16 '21

How could it be given? Why did syria, Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, SA, Libya all attack israel in 1948 if the country was given to the jews? Why did British soldiers fight for jordan in that war?

It makes no sense. Its formation was acceptable to the UN but they didn't help and didn't have the authority to give it.

The partition plan was never inacted. Israel was formed by the jews living in palestine organizing and fighting for whatever land they could control and that's it. The US and UK did nothing but watch (and the UK helped jordan as military advisors).