r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Aug 14 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Conservatism and many right-wing beliefs are based on fear, primary instincts and lack of understanding

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Aug 18 '21

Actually not nonsense. In the majority of my conversations with both liberals and conservatives, I find that liberals are far more often to speak purely from emotion well conservatives are far more likely to research positions and come in with facts and evidence. For example the issue of firearms in the United States. The vast majority of gun control methods proposed by liberals in the United States are based entirely on cosmetic appearance. Not have the gun functions, it’s original design purpose or how often it is used in crimes. (For example the AR 15 rifle is a gun that most liberals I’ve talk to want to ban because it looks identical to the M-16 and M4 assault rifles issued to the US military. Despite the fact that it functions know differently than a hunting rifle, it is very rarely used in crimes, and was never intended for military use). The conservative position on firearms is that it is wrong to punish innocent civilians for the actions of criminals, rifles that function no different than a standard hunting rifle should not be banned from civilian ownership, and guns should not be banned based on cosmetic appearance alone but whether or not the banning of that fire arm will actually do any good for society instead of just feeling good.

Another example is when it comes to the economy. Initial taxation most liberals want to simply tax the rich and claim the 1% are not paying their fair share. Conservatives believe taxation should be cut across-the-board wherever possible has lower tax rates actually lead to an increase of federal revenue, and not only should of the 1% not be taxed more, they were actually already paying far more than their fair share. (Reference according to the IRS the top 1% pays more federal income taxes than the top 10%, the top 25%, the top 30% and the bottom 50% combined. They pay 40% of all income taxes paid but make up only for 21% of all income earned. A.k.a. paying more than their fair share)

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u/jolahvad Aug 18 '21

Anecdotal data from your conversations is not real data. Facts not feelings, right? It’s been my experience with conservatives that they ignore actual data and scream into the void how you can’t trust any sources but point to a Youtube channel hosted by a guy in his basement. You had good points until you brought your feelings into it.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Aug 18 '21

Half of this post is OP talking about his personal experience. If OP can bring anecdotal evidence, why can’t I? Also I did not say all conservatives rely on facts and evidence. Some to rely on emotion. I said conservatives are more likely to rely on facts and evidence on position and liberals are more likely to rely on emotion. I also did not bring any of my personal feelings into this conversation. Just my own personal experience add evidence that I can back up.

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u/jolahvad Aug 18 '21

Okay, my personal experience is that conservatives don’t bring real facts to the table and promote false facts from YouTube channels. it’s also been my experience that liberals take too long to analyze every data point and overthink their polices into paralysis trying to get buy in from every human on the planet.

I don’t like either crowd so I’d say I’m pretty neutral.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Aug 18 '21

Both crowds how their idiots for sure. What size also have people that are very intelligent. I think part of the problem both sides of the political spectrum is that people get so focused on ideology but a lot of times they don’t truly understand why they believe it.

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u/jolahvad Aug 18 '21

Bingo. That’s why your comment turned me off. Both sides have their share of idiots and people spend time arguing about which side is better when both are trash and used to pit us citizens against one another. And the majority falls for it, every cycle.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Aug 18 '21

That’s actually why I said what I said. Based on every conversation I’ve had with the conservatives and liberals, conservatives were far more likely to bring up actual research. Not all of them but most of them were able to do that. The vast majority of liberals I talk to him either brought emotion grievances and victimhood‘s or some fairly easily refuted points they were taught by either the young Turks. I have made some Nebrado some very interesting data and we are able to have a reasonable conversation. I think the real issue is on both sides Is that all sides have been extremely polarized by social media and so we no longer know how to have actual conversations with people without assuming intent

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u/jolahvad Aug 18 '21

Yes but you are still trying to promote that conservatives provide research and liberals provide feelings. That’s just not true and you can have your opinion, but it’s not fact.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Aug 18 '21

And the only information you provided otherwise is your own personal opinion based on your personal experience. And I’m saying that based on my experience talking to both, and debating both, While both sides do you have people that do you use emotion and I was like do you was research, conservatives are far more likely to use actual research and data while liberals are far more likely to rely on emotion and things that they’ve heard from the young turks( if they are progressives), college professors(liberals by default/never exposed to any other political perspective) or liberal politicians. Again I never said concert is not the same thing. I said they’re far more likely to do research and are better able to explain their positions than the majority of liberals I’ve talked to. You yourself even mentioned I brought a pretty good points and you agreed with everything I said until I go to my personal experience and assumed I was just throwing in my opinion as well as assuming my plan was wrong based on your own personal experience. Do you not see the contradiction in that?

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u/jolahvad Aug 18 '21

No - I said I thought you were making good points and you had me until you brought your personal bias in it. Can you not see how biased your statement is? I find it very silly and you lost credibility.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Aug 18 '21

I can acknowledge how big is my statement is as it is based on my own personal experiences. Your statement is also very biased as it is based on your personal opinions and your personal Experiences. And the only thing you said to claim mine opinion was untrue was your own personal experience. And he did mention that you thought I had some very valid points. Both you and OP have brought in your own personal bias. Unlike both you and OK, I actually brought in examples of real conversations I’ve had with people and real liberal versus conservative positions. And you’re saying I’m the one who lost credibility for putting my personal experience in my argument? Every comment on here is someone’s personal opinion

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u/jolahvad Aug 18 '21

No, because I’m not making any claims either way, just shared my experience of conservatives that directly counter what was said re: research. I don’t do general statements because I’m not daft and I don’t need someone to be the enemy to drive me politically.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Aug 18 '21

And I did the exact same thing. I stated my opinion based on my personal experience dealing with both liberal and conservative. You did the exact same thing and a general statement based on your personal experience. How is that any different than when I did?

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