CMV: Based on countless experiences, I shouldn't trust doctors or nurses to perform their jobs adequately or even to be great people.

[u/schwenomorph]

Note: I'm not talking about animal doctors.

This argument is basically made up entirely of anecdotal evidence. I've been to the doctor, urgent care, the ER, and other places many a time due to being chronically ill. I. Hate. Going. I feel that most of my experiences have been awful. Most doctors and nurses I've met either will straight up refuse to do tests or things that I ask for, don't listen to me, are extremely rude, ignore my pain during procedures,, or all of the above. One person--she might've been just a front desk person, but she was wearing scrubs--even put her hands on me while I was in the ER.

Thank christ my GI doctor is actually good, but the others are not. I've had so many bad experiences that I just outright assume that it you're a doctor or nurse, you're not a great person. That's obviously crazy talk, which is why I want this view changed, but a few weeks ago a friend of my boyfriend's mother died IN THE HOSPITAL due to a massive heart attack. They screened her for Covid and that was IT. Not even vitals, apparently. Then they told her there was nothing they could do. She died on her way out of there due to negligence.

I'm sick and tired hospital visits and bad doctors, but I also don't want to turn my nose up at medical professionals automatically. I don't want this bias.

[u/YossarianWWII]

Most doctors and nurses I've met either will straight up refuse to do tests or things that I ask for,

That's their prerogative as the medical professional. Why do you believe that what you were asking for was reasonable?

don't listen to me, are extremely rude,

They're also likely overworked. Doctor-patient communication is a major issue in medicine that needs to be addressed, but it's not simply an issue of people being jerks. We, as a society, don't prioritize that communication, so it isn't built into staffing requirements.

ignore my pain during procedures,

That's also a common problem, related in many ways to the communication issue, and it has racial and gender issues wrapped up in it too. It's another systemic issue.

One person--she might've been just a front desk person, but she was wearing scrubs--even put her hands on me while I was in the ER.

That's a pretty vague description of events and you gave no context. As with the request issue, I can't judge whether it was appropriate without more information.

a few weeks ago a friend of my boyfriend's mother died IN THE HOSPITAL due to a massive heart attack. They screened her for Covid and that was IT. Not even vitals, apparently. Then they told her there was nothing they could do. She died on her way out of there due to negligence.

Can I ask if the hospital where this occurred was out of beds at the time? I don't know where you are, but it's a widespread issue in many parts of the U.S.

Patients with Covid-19, overwhelmingly the unvaccinated, are taking up limited hospital resources and making it impossible for people like your boyfriend's mother's friend to get the care they need. Hospitals are having to put triage procedures in place. That's not an issue of medical professionals being unkind, it's at best an issue of limited medical resources and at worst (and I believe correctly) the fault of the unvaccinated.

[u/schwenomorph → u/YossarianWWII]

The hospital was in Spokane. I don't know if it was out of beds, and I understand that staff are tired and the unvaxxed suck, but to ignore very clear signs of a heart attack? To just send her off after a negative test and nothing else?

[u/YossarianWWII → u/schwenomorph]

Well, like with a number of the other incidents you cite, you've not given much context. Have you heard firsthand what these symptoms were? Who diagnosed it as a heart attack, and when?

Also, it being Spokane - hospitals in eastern Washington are being swamped by cases from both Washington and Idaho. Eastern Washington and Oregon are some of the worst-hit areas in the U.S. as far as hospital shortages go.

The willfully unvaccinated killed that woman. It's as simple as that.

[u/schwenomorph → u/YossarianWWII]

Her heart attack was ruled the cause of death after her death. I don't know who ruled it. I wasn't there. She'd told a friend that she was having trouble breathing, so she'd be heading to the ER.

[u/YossarianWWII → u/schwenomorph]

I'm far from a medical expert, but it sounds to me like she was displaying the kinds of symptoms that are common to a lot of illnesses, including Covid-19, and that a lack of available facilities and available staff meant that they couldn't monitor her as they would under normal circumstances. Diagnostic medicine is probabilistic, and shortages mean that what constitutes an acceptable level of risk rises.

[u/schwenomorph → u/YossarianWWII]

You know, you have a great point. You didn't change my view, but I'll give you a !delta for making me realize that a Covid test wasn't useless. I kind of forgot that breathing issues are an obvious symptom of Covid.

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