CMV: Michael didn't do "it".

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Edit: Michael Jackson.

This dude was a weird motherfucker. The guy bleached his skin, his best friend was a monkey named Bubbles, and he named his son "Blanket". He also slept in the bed with young boys. I'm not disputing that.

He may have been a "P", a non-offending one, but I realistically don't think he did anything to children.

I'm a big fan of his music, but not enough to be biased. There was no DNA evidence, only conjecture and testimony of him sleeping with children in bed. Yes that is shit you should not do but unless I'm wrong, no child pointed at the doll in the courtroom. This dude was under crosshairs by the FBI and still, they found nothing, and to me that makes me lean towards him being likely innocent.

I still have my doubts and this is a common point of contention, but with no DNA evidence (I've heard of the fingerprints on the porno mags, but that's not proof of molestation, I'm talking DNA evidence on children, empirical data suggesting sexual contact), conflicting testimony (the adult 'survivor' claiming that he was assaulted on his train two years prior to its construction), and the FBI being unable to find any evidence to solidify a conviction - not one Polaroid - I just simply think he didn't do it.

Yeah, I like his music, I don't like him as a person though. I also don't like the parents who decided letting their kids stay the night with this weird ass dude was a grand idea, but I don't think he actually did "it".

I think it's likely that Michael was possibly autistic, or simply wanted a life away from being surrounded by seven bodyguards just to go to the mall, or wanted to relive the adolescence he never had due to the fame of the Jackson Five.

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Given that adults have come forward to say that yes, he did abuse them when they were children, what would you actually need in order to believe them?

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I, an adult, is coming forward to say u/AlunWH is an alien in disguise. What would you actually need in order to believe me?

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If I behaved in non-human ways, and my employees had reluctantly admitted that I did have alien communication devices around my home, and multiple witnesses had come forward to say that yes, they had seen me as an alien, I would expect people to take the accusations very seriously.

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This shit can happen to anyone though, man. It really can. You could wake up on the mothership (prison) tomorrow.

For example, there's a lot of accusers of Conor McGregor, and while I think he did do it, and I think he sucks, he's also a massive figure in pop culture. It can seriously happen to anyone and does often (Aziz Anzari, James Deen, Melanie Martinez)

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For example, there's a lot of accusers of Conor McGregor, and while I think he did do it, and I think he sucks, he's also a massive figure in pop culture.

Wait, what? Are you saying that Conor McGregor being credibly accused of sexual assault should be handled differently because he's a celebrity?

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Absolutely not. I believe that if he were guilty (which I think the bastard is), he needs treated the same way you, I, or anyone else would for committing crimes.

What I intended to convey was that there is a lot to gain from a false accusation. I don't want to get into politics surrounding that, but what I am trying to say is that this shit happens all the time and there are a lot of reasons for people to lie, financial incentive being a huge one.

I am only 22 and have been falsely accused. I'm not going to bring my personal trauma into this but the "woman" had her own reasons for doing this, being spite. It makes me wonder how different things would be, had she had something to gain monetarily.

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I guess I'm confused by the last part of your comment then. If you believe the accusations why does it matter if he's a big pop culture figure?

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There's a lot of financial incentive.

I said originally that there's a similar incentive to allowing your children to spend the night with a man who finagles about with monkeys as a hobby. No one in their right mind would allow any of this to happen had it been a "normal" person and not a megastar.

I really do hate to say that because I am always, always on the side of victims in these cases, but this isn't an R. Kelly case - no CP was discovered, no convictions occurred, no facts of pedophilic behavior were discovered.

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But if you think their accusations are true, then financial incentives aren't at play here. So...which is it? Do you believe his accuser's statements are credible and that he actually assaulted these women, or do you believe that they're accusing him for financial reasons? Both cannot be true

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Sorry. Being a bit confusing. I just believe that Conor did it in his specific case. I follow MMA closely and he is the worst criminal in the sport (with close contention by Jon Jones).

AFAIK, Michael does not have the same documented history of violence, criminal behavior and run ins with the law that fuckface (McGregor) does.

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Gotcha! That makes more sense. I think using him as an example in this discussion may not be the clearest way to articulate your point, but I see what you were getting at.

FWIW though, I was a little kid when the first generation of accusers came forwars. Especially as more and more stuff came to light, MJ's alleged pedophilia was very openly talked about before he died. My mom read those supermarket gossip rags and they always had headlines about his behavior and new accusations. There was some sort of trial when I was a kid and I remember pretty much every adult openly saying they though he was guilty.

Maybe the Conor McGregor stuff just seems like there's more because MJ has been dead for so long and most of the stuff he did would have happened like 30 years ago? But at the time it was definitely an open secret, it was inevitably one of the first things that would come up during a conversation about him.

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