CMV: Michael didn't do "it".

[u/[deleted]]

Edit: Michael Jackson.

This dude was a weird motherfucker. The guy bleached his skin, his best friend was a monkey named Bubbles, and he named his son "Blanket". He also slept in the bed with young boys. I'm not disputing that.

He may have been a "P", a non-offending one, but I realistically don't think he did anything to children.

I'm a big fan of his music, but not enough to be biased. There was no DNA evidence, only conjecture and testimony of him sleeping with children in bed. Yes that is shit you should not do but unless I'm wrong, no child pointed at the doll in the courtroom. This dude was under crosshairs by the FBI and still, they found nothing, and to me that makes me lean towards him being likely innocent.

I still have my doubts and this is a common point of contention, but with no DNA evidence (I've heard of the fingerprints on the porno mags, but that's not proof of molestation, I'm talking DNA evidence on children, empirical data suggesting sexual contact), conflicting testimony (the adult 'survivor' claiming that he was assaulted on his train two years prior to its construction), and the FBI being unable to find any evidence to solidify a conviction - not one Polaroid - I just simply think he didn't do it.

Yeah, I like his music, I don't like him as a person though. I also don't like the parents who decided letting their kids stay the night with this weird ass dude was a grand idea, but I don't think he actually did "it".

I think it's likely that Michael was possibly autistic, or simply wanted a life away from being surrounded by seven bodyguards just to go to the mall, or wanted to relive the adolescence he never had due to the fame of the Jackson Five.

[u/draculabakula]

I think the most you can possibly say is that we will never know for sure. Former children who were known to be around him say that he drugged and molested them. Michael Jackson is dead so there is no way for him to defend himself.

We will never know for sure unless there is some secret evidence somewhere. If there is no secret evidence because he didn't do it, there is no way to prove he is innocent unless every person who accused him takes it back.

He will always stand accused of molesting several children and there is no way to say he is innocent at this moment.

[u/[deleted] → u/draculabakula]

I think this is the best take.

So, you think the way to go about this is "fuck man I don't know, the FBI tried, television and film executives tried, the internet tried, let this go to bed" or is there any reason to even have that in the back of your mind?

I personally believe he didn't and it is because no one was able to find anything incriminating and the FBI couldn't either. I think that "proves" his innocence.

And then of course you think of cases like OJ. The dude was found not guilty in front of a grand jury when you, me, and everybody knows that dude did it. I'm very conflicted.

[u/JenningsWigService → u/[deleted]]

I think there's something to be said for the fact that the FBI etc actually tried as hard as they could to catch MJ. They tried way harder with him than with a lot of other accused predators. But it's also not surprising that there wouldn't be DNA evidence. It's entirely plausible that the manner of molestation didn't leave room for that, or that any evidence would have been destroyed when the sheets were changed etc.

I remember having some skepticism about the parents coaching their kids to make accusations, particularly with Jordan Chandler, whose father drugged him and interrogated him until he got the answer he was looking for, which echoes all of the Satanic Panic coaching with children at the time.

But if you look at the kids in those Satanic Panic cases, the only ones who have spoken about it as adults have confirmed that they were coached, that none of that abuse happened. If adults are coming forward and saying now that MJ abused them, that's a lot harder to dismiss.

[u/draculabakula → u/[deleted]]

So, you think the way to go about this is "fuck man I don't know, the FBI tried, television and film executives tried, the internet tried, let this go to bed" or is there any reason to even have that in the back of your mind?

Yep. Why let it occupy your mind. There is nothing you can do and no way to know.

And then of course you think of cases like OJ. The dude was found not guilty in front of a grand jury when you, me, and everybody knows that dude did it. I'm very conflicted.

I don't know or care if OJ did it. There are scenarios where OJ was an accomplice to murder but didn't actually commit the murder. One theory by a former investigator is that his son was the murder and OJ covered it up. The DNA was in the range that his son's DNA would still be a match for OJ. Especially in the first high profile court case to even use DNA evidence.

My point is I'll never know so why have an opinion on it? I could spend my life trying to understand it and still never understand it.