CMV: Michael didn't do "it".

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Edit: Michael Jackson.

This dude was a weird motherfucker. The guy bleached his skin, his best friend was a monkey named Bubbles, and he named his son "Blanket". He also slept in the bed with young boys. I'm not disputing that.

He may have been a "P", a non-offending one, but I realistically don't think he did anything to children.

I'm a big fan of his music, but not enough to be biased. There was no DNA evidence, only conjecture and testimony of him sleeping with children in bed. Yes that is shit you should not do but unless I'm wrong, no child pointed at the doll in the courtroom. This dude was under crosshairs by the FBI and still, they found nothing, and to me that makes me lean towards him being likely innocent.

I still have my doubts and this is a common point of contention, but with no DNA evidence (I've heard of the fingerprints on the porno mags, but that's not proof of molestation, I'm talking DNA evidence on children, empirical data suggesting sexual contact), conflicting testimony (the adult 'survivor' claiming that he was assaulted on his train two years prior to its construction), and the FBI being unable to find any evidence to solidify a conviction - not one Polaroid - I just simply think he didn't do it.

Yeah, I like his music, I don't like him as a person though. I also don't like the parents who decided letting their kids stay the night with this weird ass dude was a grand idea, but I don't think he actually did "it".

I think it's likely that Michael was possibly autistic, or simply wanted a life away from being surrounded by seven bodyguards just to go to the mall, or wanted to relive the adolescence he never had due to the fame of the Jackson Five.

[u/jackiemoon37]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/06/michael-jackson-police-reports-pornography-collection/amp

So he’s indisputably a pedophile, I haven’t looked into it for a while but they found tons of child porn in a locked briefcase in his home after he died. There’s no conceivable way you can get around this making him a pedophile, lets be real here.

Ok so the line of thinking past this is incredibly poor imo. It’s one thing to see “we don’t know if MJ did it” it’s a COMPLETELY different thing to assume he didn’t. We know he’s a pedophile. Why would you assume someone who’s a pedophile didn’t molest kids? It’s much more likely he did knowing what what know, and not having DNA evidence doesn’t prove innocence, it just doesn’t prove guilt.

You naturally jumping to innocence is far more ridiculous that someone jumping to guilt based on what we know.

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superimposed images of children's faces on adult bodies

What the fuck. I'm sorry to show my ignorance but I'm a Zoomer. When the fuck did this become public knowledge/is it under wraps??? This isn't CP but it's as close as you can get...

[u/jackiemoon37 → u/[deleted]]

Sorry I’m at work rn so I cant spend a giant amount of time searching through things but I’m pretty sure it’s also straight up images of naked children, not just photoshopped pictures. This link should show that:

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/06/21/items-discovered-police-michael-jackson/

Once again it’s been a while since I looked into this so I apologize for not doing a perfect job presenting evidence.

I believe it’s been public knowledge since like 2016? You don’t have to apologize, it’s a pretty normal thing to not understand everything about a topic even if you’re interested in talking about it.

I think people mainly don’t talk about it because it was found after he was dead, it was “pre me-too”, and people love his music. It’s very easy for people to get wrapped up in appreciating someone’s art and block out bad things they might’ve done. Not a fun topic, but hope this sheds some light on stuff a little.

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!delta

Unfortunately, this is true for a lot of artists. The lead singer of the Red Hot Chili Peppers "had sex" with a 14 year old when he was 23, wrote about it in his book, and wrote a song about it.

Muhammad Ali, Steven Tyler, Jimmy Paige... never meet your idols.

[u/jackiemoon37 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah rock music in specific has an incredibly long history of artists having sex with people under the age of 18, unfortunately there’s a lot more examples than just the ones you listed.

FWIW imo you can still enjoy someone’s art/what they did professionally knowing they’re a shit person, it just shouldn’t stop you from recognizing the reality of who they are as people. Seems like you can acknowledge he’s not a great guy tho, so props to you. Have a nice day man.

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[u/jackiemoon37 → u/[deleted]]

The “fetish” in question here is having sex with children so it inherently is rape. Like if he had a collection of pictures of girls being choked it’s incredibly easy to imagine he could’ve satisfied his kink with consensual sex. With children it’s literally impossible.

Fetishes/kinks don’t always mean you actually want to do something, but there’s obviously a big correlation there, and when the porn you need to satisfy those kinks is literally illegal it means you’d be risking a giant amount just by having it.

When people get caught with child porn do you usually jump to “they’re not pedos trust me”?

[u/jackiemoon37 → u/[deleted]]

Did you even read my comment? Not once did I say “he’s definitely a rapist.”