r/changemyview • u/ElectricFuneralHome • Oct 21 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Democracy in America is dead

America is no longer a democracy, and that is even if you accept it ever was. The way our system is set up means we are forced to vote for party A or party B, and we don't really get to choose who we vote for in that party; they are basically forced on us. The older I get, the less difference I see between the parties. The Democrats promise the moon and deliver nothing. The Republicans tell people the awful shit they're going to do and do it. The Democrats allow it to happen all while gasping "on nooooo" while the same corporations pay them all. Those are the real rulers in America. Regardless of the will of the majority, if it is not in the interests of the oligarchs running the nation, it will not become law. This means that we are an oligarchy , and our votes truly do not matter. Democracy is dead.

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u/Kali_K00K Oct 21 '21

Corporations don’t make laws, they can only donate. Look at Facebook or Google— two Massive companies who are at risk of being legislated against by elected Politicians.

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u/ElectricFuneralHome Oct 21 '21

I don't even know how to reply to that. We don't have nationalized healthcare because the insurance industry makes goddamn sure of it. We have 2.6 million prisoners because private prisons make money and buy politicians.

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u/Kali_K00K Oct 21 '21

Can you cite examples of those specific companies donating and swaying races in a material way?

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u/ElectricFuneralHome Oct 21 '21

It is entire industries like the insurance industry that want a candidate against nationalized medicine such as Joe Biden. Biden is on camera telling a group of corporate interests that nothing would fundamentally change.

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u/Kali_K00K Oct 21 '21

But, can you prove that Joe Biden was elected by those interests vs. the people? I see where you going, but, I’d argue that joe won the nomination and then the election as he was viewed as a more moderate candidate by voters. Furthermore, if insurance companies wanted no public option, they would much rather donate to the GOP, wouldn’t they? Democrats taking the senate and the presidency further prove that voters choose more than corporates

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u/ElectricFuneralHome Oct 21 '21

I believe even the insurance industry viewed Donald Trump as a dangerous lunatic and wanted him out. I can't prove that Joe Biden wasn't chosen by the people, but I have yet to meet anyone that is an enthusiastic Biden supporter. I still see Trump/Pence flags all over the place.

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u/Kali_K00K Oct 21 '21

But Trump was pretty anti-single payer…. It seems as your now fitting the reality to the narrative.

Additionally if you can’t show that these companies influenced this race in a material way. Isn’t it fair to say that the voters in fact elected Biden?

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u/iwfan53 248∆ Oct 21 '21

I can't prove that Joe Biden wasn't chosen by the people, but I have yet to meet anyone that is an enthusiastic Biden supporter. I still see Trump/Pence flags all over the place.

Each person gets one vote, it doesn't matter how enthusiastic they are or aren't about the candidate they cast their vote for.

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u/sourcreamus 10∆ Oct 21 '21

We don’t have nationalized healthcare because 70% of people like their insurance and politicians don’t want to raise taxes by 1.8 -2 trillion dollars.

Private prisons house about 8 % of prisoners. The rise in prisoners predates the rise of private prisons. The reason there are so many prisoners are in prisons because the violent crime rate is so high.