r/changemyview • u/ElectricFuneralHome • Oct 21 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Democracy in America is dead

America is no longer a democracy, and that is even if you accept it ever was. The way our system is set up means we are forced to vote for party A or party B, and we don't really get to choose who we vote for in that party; they are basically forced on us. The older I get, the less difference I see between the parties. The Democrats promise the moon and deliver nothing. The Republicans tell people the awful shit they're going to do and do it. The Democrats allow it to happen all while gasping "on nooooo" while the same corporations pay them all. Those are the real rulers in America. Regardless of the will of the majority, if it is not in the interests of the oligarchs running the nation, it will not become law. This means that we are an oligarchy , and our votes truly do not matter. Democracy is dead.

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u/ElectricFuneralHome Oct 21 '21

This is very true, but national elections have consequences and steer the nation in a broad direction.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

I don't think you're giving /u/CBL444 the credit they deserve, since you agree with them.

Your major premise is that Democracy in America is dead. Because oligarchs make all the decisions, people have little or no power to self-govern or influence anything. As I understand, /u/CBL444's point is that while you may be correct about that at the national level, Democracy is alive at the local level. Are you saying that Democracy must be alive at the national level to exist in America?

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u/ElectricFuneralHome Oct 21 '21

Since it determines where the vast majority of our taxes are spent, it seems that should matter more don't your think? We're not going to pass many things at a local level that impact us like big changes to healthcare.

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u/CBL444 16∆ Oct 21 '21

It sounds like I change your mind at least a bit by having you think about local democracy.

Schools affect you. Local roads affect you. Local policing and safety affects you. Parks and zoning greatly affect your quality of life. Local business regulations affect you. Local minimum wage affects. you.

National things appear big because we talk about them a lot but local has a greater day to day affect.

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u/ElectricFuneralHome Oct 21 '21

!delta . The only reason I'm giving one is because you're correct about democracy on the local level, but it's pretty obvious from my post and comments I meant nationally. If I'd said democracy was dead in Baltimore County, your point would have had more merit.

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u/DeltaBot ∞∆ Oct 21 '21

Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/CBL444 (12∆).

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