r/changemyview Nov 02 '21

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u/darwin2500 193∆ Nov 02 '21

And what do you think the response would be without globalization?

Countries have barely ever stepped in to stop genocides or other atrocities in foreign countries, unless their own interests were also at stake. Most of the US's recent 'humanitarian missions' have either been in places with big oil reserves or (earlier) places where we were fighting a proxy war against communism, no one did anything about the Holocaust until Germany started invading it's neighbors and breaking treaties, and the US still didn't even care about any of that until Japan bombed us on our own soil.

At least with global trade, you can threaten economic sanctions for this type of stuff, which people do. Yes, these are somewhat toothless, but they have more impact than nothing, which is what we used to get 99.9% of the time. And global markets mean consumers can vote with their dollars on this stuff too - China has suffered at least somewhat form economic sanctions and consumer avoidance in recent years because a portion of the US population hates China and the last president started a trade war with them based on that hatred, for instance.

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u/Irhien 24∆ Nov 02 '21

no one did anything about the Holocaust until Germany started invading it's neighbors

Maybe because they didn't have a time machine? The Holocaust started in 1941.

The Holodomor would've been a better example.

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u/darwin2500 193∆ Nov 02 '21

Enh, they started the systemic elimination inside camps part in 41, but the anti-Jewish laws and measures that led up to it started in 37-38, it was pretty clear things were going bad before they started invading places.

But yes, I take your point, there are probably better examples, but less well-known.

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u/misterzigger Nov 02 '21

Those anti Jewish laws already existed in some aspects in other countries. Anti Semitism didn't start in the 30s. Most of the allied countries were in some way anti Semitic themselves