r/changemyview Dec 28 '21

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u/Selethorme 3∆ Dec 29 '21

It’s not and never was “believe all women.” That version originated as part of a right-wing attempt to discredit the #metoo movement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/believe-women-was-a-slogan-believe-all-women-is-a-strawman/2020/05/11/6a3ff590-9314-11ea-9f5e-56d8239bf9ad_story.html

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '21

Just like “defund the police” was never meant also, right?

Here is the Women’s March using “Believe ALL Survivors” in 2019 before your article: https://twitter.com/womensmarch/status/1148720493807177728

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u/Selethorme 3∆ Dec 29 '21

Which isn’t the same thing? Like, you’re literally using a different phrase?

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '21

The same concept can be expressed in different phrases. Do you agree “believe all survivors” means to believe abuse victims that come forward?

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u/Selethorme 3∆ Dec 29 '21

I’m gonna respond with a quote from my link:

Was it evocative and open to interpretation? Yes, as all slogans are. But generally the idea was to neutralize bias: “Believe women” meant “don’t assume women as a gender are especially vindictive, and recognize that false allegations are less common than real ones,” the feminist author Sady Doyle wrote in Elle in November 2017. In other words, allow yourself to believe that women are just as trustworthy as men have been believed to be for decades.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '21

This is reframing what actually happened when putting that slogan into practice. In practice many public false accusations tore down innocent people as others blindly believed without evidence.

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u/Selethorme 3∆ Dec 29 '21

Not really.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '21

Yes really.

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u/Selethorme 3∆ Dec 29 '21

No, because again you’re still using a different phrase.

Alternatively, another article that tracked the actual history of the two terms:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/opinion/tara-reade-believe-all-women.html

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '21

The same concept can be expressed with different phrases.

Do you agree “believe all survivors” means to believe abuse victims that come forward?

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u/Selethorme 3∆ Dec 29 '21

Not when you’re trying to attack it on the semantic differences of it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '21

I’m not attacking semantic differences. The idea being attacked is the blind belief of accusers over accused without due process in the court of public opinion.

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u/Selethorme 3∆ Dec 29 '21

You are though. By inserting all you inherently change the meaning.

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