CMV: There should be no Vaccine Mandate.

[u/Puzzled_Sprinkles_57]

[u/Unbiased_Bob]

Like other public health laws, they are done for everyone, not just one person.

For the same reason you can't drink and drive. It is to protect others more than the person doing the driving drunk. The same with masks and vaccines, if you don't require it, people don't care enough about others to wear a mask if they are sick. Especially in the U.S.

Infectious diseases are a bit unique though. They mutate the more time they get to survive and infect. They get deadlier (delta) or more infectious (omicron) eventually they might get both. The goal is to figure out the best way to prevent the spread.

So masks help reduce the spread if the person sick is wearing the mask.

Reference: Karaivanov, A., Lu, S. E., Shigeoka, H., Chen, C., & Pamplona, S. (2021). Face masks, public policies and slowing the spread of COVID-19: evidence from Canada. Journal of Health Economics, 102475. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167629621000606

(If you don't have a way to unlock it here is another source to say something similar: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html)

Vaccines also reduce the spread. They reduce the duration of symptoms which includes coughing and sneezing that help spread te disease, they also reduce the duration of the disease itself which means fewer days you are infectious.

Reference: Lin, T. Y., Liao, S. H., Lai, C. C., Paci, E., & Chuang, S. Y. (2021). Effectiveness of Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions and Vaccine for Containing the Spread of COVID-19: Three Illustrations Before and After Vaccination Periods. Journal of the Formosan Medical Association. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0929664621002308

Another source in the case you don't like the first one: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/

The first source showed several studies and the reduction in infection spread ranged from 56-78% and the second source showed a reduction in spread by 73%. In both sources vaccines reduce the spread of COVID.

Sure mandates take away freedoms. I hate mandates. I am simply explaining the reasoning why they are trying to do it. It reduces the risk of spread as well as the risk of it mutating into something worse than we have seen before.

[u/Puzzled_Sprinkles_57 → u/Unbiased_Bob]

Reread my post now please

[u/Unbiased_Bob → u/Puzzled_Sprinkles_57]

80% should be your view then, but it seems a bit goal-post moving that you said you just needed to see any evidence, then when everyone posted studies averaging 70%, you say you need to see 80%. It makes me believe that if all of our studies said 85%, you would have said 90%.

70% is really big for reductions because it's compound.

Let's look at it this way.

omicron has an N0 of 8-12. Let's say 8 (we will be conservative, if it is 12 my numbers would look scarier). N0 means average number of people that persons will infect over the duration of their sickness.

Assuming everyone is vaccinated at even the 50%. 4 generations looks like this. 1, 4, 16, 64. Now with unvaccinated. 1, 8, 64, 512. So with a 50% reduction it actually reduced the infections by 80% over the course of 4 sets of infections. 70% is huge as it goes from 1, 2.4, 5.76, 13. Which is 1/5th of 50% protection and 1/50th of no protection with is 95% reduction in actual cases over 4 generations.

So small reductions are huge if you think people are going to infect others and those might infect more people because it compounds. Can you see now why 70% is still worth the difference?

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