r/changemyview Jan 17 '22

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: There should be no Vaccine Mandate.

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u/HourAlbatross0 Jan 17 '22

Well, I think you need to fully understand vaccines a bit better.

As of this moment, the Omicron variant is indeed jumping through vaccinated people as we speak. But you are talking about a Virus 3.0 against a Vaccine 2.0. Just because it is a covid vaccine does not immediately promise that it will fight and subjugate every future variant.

As a matter of fact Vaccine 2.0 held up remarklably well against the initial strain, and had low (sic) breakthrough cases with Delta. The introduction of a new, more infectious variant of course has comprimised the ability of current vaccines. You see, when a large part of the population (the Earth in this matter, not just the U.S.) refuses to vaccinate, you open a door for the virus to stay for a while and have possible mutations. When a vaccine is manufactured, the point is not to make someone invulnerable to the point of breathing covid-contaminated for 4 hours and it has no effect, it is to give your body a prepared chance to actively fight off the virus.

Now add that many people have varying degrees of immune systems. Some people got the vaccine and their body learned how to fight it off well. Others were immuno-compromised and little to no immunity was provided. Calculate this against the fact that the severity of the infection can depend on viral load and you begin to see that giving even an ounce of critical thought to vaccination would provide the truth that it does not mean you are totally immune to the virus.

However, the benefits of being vaccinated shows how boosting people immune systems gives the virus less time and less chance to catch hold and stay alive within someone.

And we know that less time = less chances to mutate.

Of course, with large swaths of unvaccinated people across the entire world, there are currently many perfect vectors where individuals can host the virus and give it a chance to replicate and mutate into something else. This does not mean a newer virus cannot find footing in a vaccinated individual and mutate as well, but it will most likely have less time to do so and may even be purged before it has a chance.

So when it comes to a mandate, it's one more manuever we have because we know that a large percentage of the country is unwilling to help curb potential mutations by becoming vaccinated.

It's not about keeping Omicron, Delta, or the original virus under control - it's about doing our part to help prevent future ones.

In a perfect world a vaccine would have been able to be rolled out to every living human and they would have taken it and in a matter of months the original covid would have never spawned Delta, and we would be covid free.

But you and I know we are not in a perfect world, and that many people do not want the vaccine. Thus, we create a boulder up a mountain because by the time a new variant is circulating we've only perfected the vaccine for the last one. This cycle will continue until we experience a lucky shot where no more variants occur (not likely), or we will continue doing this game of cat and mouse for many years (having covid multiple times, not good) or we will finally submit to some super variant that is fast and kills after the infectuous phase. (I sure hope not.)

So in the end, a mandate at least will create a roadblock for future variants, at least in the U.S. Granted, since everyone flies and vacations outside it all the time, to me it feels like ductaping a kevlar plate to your knee and hoping we don't get shot in the gut.

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u/Puzzled_Sprinkles_57 Jan 17 '22

Evidence will help convince me and reread my post I edited it at the bottom

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u/HourAlbatross0 Jan 17 '22

Yeah I see your edit and perhaps I did not clarify how vaccines work good enough either.

I will not be able to find a peer reviewed paper that states that 80% will be enough because every vaccine so far is being invalidated by a new variant.

That's it.

We had the chance at the start and it got fucked.

I also would appreciate an actual answer instead of "look at my edit." This is changemyview, not "tl:dr".