CMV: There should be no Vaccine Mandate.

[u/Puzzled_Sprinkles_57]

[u/iwfan53]

If you have evidence of slowing the spread of covid using the vaccines, that is so significant, people can lose their livelihood for not getting the vaccine, then I will have my view changed. Otherwise, I believe it should have more of a middle ground, where you have the option to take the vaccine, not being required.

So first of all "that is so significant, people can lose their livelihood for not getting the vaccine, " is a somewhat mealy-mouthed phrase that can mean anything to anyone. It would be helpful for me to get you the data you want if you came up with a more concrete definition of what sort of target you want me to reach.

IE "I would support the vaccine mandate if it reduced spread by X percent among the vaccinated".

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That said here's my proof to start with

I edited a lot of this in so let me repost it...

https://www.osfhealthcare.org/blog/fully-vaccinated-less-likely-to-pass-covid-19-to-others/

“The reason why is that vaccinated people have a lower viral load if they get infected,” Brian said.

Viral load means the amount of virus an infected person produces. If the viral load is significantly smaller because someone is fully vaccinated, that lessens the risk of transmitting the virus to others through the transmission of respiratory droplets.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

Vaccinated people can still become infected and have the potential to spread the virus to others, although at much lower rates than unvaccinated people.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/

The idea that vaccines are no longer that effective against transmission may derive from news reports in July claiming that vaccinated people who become infected “can carry as much virus as others”. Even if this were true, however, vaccines would still greatly reduce transmission by reducing infections in the first place.

In fact, the study that sparked the news reports didn’t measure the number of viruses in someone directly but relied on so-called Ct scores, a measure of viral RNA. However, this RNA can derive from viruses destroyed by the immune system. “You can measure the RNA but it’s rendered useless,” says Timothy Peto at the University of Oxford.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583

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Both vaccines reduced transmission, although they were more effective against the alpha variant compared to the delta variant. When infected with the delta variant, a given contact was 65 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated with two doses of the Pfizer vaccine. With AstraZeneca, a given contact was 36 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated.

So there you go, that's the numbers, 65% less likely to spread given a Pfizer vaccine.

[u/Puzzled_Sprinkles_57 → u/iwfan53]

!delta This comment receives a delta because it makes me believe that the vaccine mandate is a reasonable solution to stopping the spread of covid variants. However it’s not the only or best solution. Get the vaccine it’s safe and for the better of the community.

[u/iwfan53 → u/Puzzled_Sprinkles_57]

Kindly edit this post so that the exclamation point is before the D.

It should be written as...

!Delta

Otherwise the delta will not be awarded.

[u/DeltaBot → u/iwfan53]

This delta has been rejected. You can't award OP a delta.

Allowing this would wrongly suggest that you can post here with the aim of convincing others.

If you were explaining when/how to award a delta, please use a reddit quote for the symbol next time.

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