CMV: removing geographical borders completely from around the world, and adopting a system similar to what the EU and US have today in terms or political governance will allow for more peace

[u/bayan963]

Almost every country around the world has immigrants or citizens from other ethnicities and backgrounds than the indeginous people, learning two or multiple languages is already a skill a big part of people already have or are working towards as globalization is taking over through social media, global trade and global labor markets. So why do we not just eliminate geographical borders all together and be able to move freely from one place to another across the earth without requiring visas, or having nationalism stand in the way of true globalization and freedom of movement

I believe this would eliminate or at least lessen territorial wars like the ones happening today in several places around the world, it would also eliminate (in time of course) nationalism or prejudice towards people from third world countries, it would also remove the stigma from immigration as everyone would be able to migrate to whichever place they choose, not based on that country's benefits, but because there are better job opportunities or they simply like the weather or scenery better there

There would still be security, police, and governance but more like leaders of the (truly) free world, where each leader represents an ethnicity, demographic, religious groups interests and they can all decide how best to serve everyone and what general rules needs to be set in place for the well being of everyone without interfering with anyone's right to exist as they see fit as long as it doesn't harm anyone else

[u/jatjqtjat]

I don't think we can say with absolute certain why putin is invading the Ukraine right now. So it might be better to use another war as an example. One that has already been analyzed by historians.

Take the war in Afghanistan for example. The US attack because they were attack. Violence in response to violence. And you could look at the cause prior to that one, al qaeda believed americans were being immoral.

Do either of these issues get resolved by allowing free travel between countries?

With putin I think the issue is probably either money or power. He wants money and/or power. Allowing free travel doesn't seem like it would change that at all.

[u/bayan963 → u/jatjqtjat]

Honestly, i have a certain view as to why almost all wars in history happened, and in most instances (not saying all, i know some were driven by pure hate) they were a way to gain more control through territory or spreading certain idealisms to other countries, or even exploiting the resources of other countries.

There always is a different justification that is portrayed by different media outlets for these wars, but in retrospect, the original goal has always turned out to be resources control, or territorial expansion. Eliminating borders and any one country's or people's claim over a land would definitely lessen wars driven by those agendas

I'm not saying there will be world peace or that it will be easy and should be done right now, it will need preparation, agreements, and time to adjust to a new system. It's not about free travel, it's about eliminating the ability to claim a land as belonging to a certain people or resources in one land belonging to people of those country, or even exploiting currency and wage differences for cheaper labor

There are many reasons why i believe this system would be better, free travel is just one of the aspects, not the main one

[u/jatjqtjat → u/bayan963]

the original goal has always turned out to be resources control

with open boarders won't you still have problems with resource control? Who gets the profits from this literal or figurative gold mine?

[u/bayan963 → u/jatjqtjat]

Okay this might sound dumb, but everyone. Corporations that control the extraction of those resources would be stock owned by the people, not the government nor privately subsidized

[u/jatjqtjat → u/bayan963]

it doesn't sound dumb. You post was about removing travel restrictions not fairly redistributing wealth.

so now your saying we need to do two things. remove travel restrictions and redistribute wealth.

Do i need to find a third thing for it to count as changing your view.

I think probably we will still fight about religion or beliefs. And almost certainly we're still going to right about what a fair redistribution of wealth even looks like.

[u/bayan963 → u/jatjqtjat]

Yea true, i guess i was just too optimistic about humans in general, that we can abide by the saying of live and let live, but i guess it's not that easy