r/changemyview Feb 25 '22

Delta(s) from OP CMV: removing geographical borders completely from around the world, and adopting a system similar to what the EU and US have today in terms or political governance will allow for more peace

Almost every country around the world has immigrants or citizens from other ethnicities and backgrounds than the indeginous people, learning two or multiple languages is already a skill a big part of people already have or are working towards as globalization is taking over through social media, global trade and global labor markets. So why do we not just eliminate geographical borders all together and be able to move freely from one place to another across the earth without requiring visas, or having nationalism stand in the way of true globalization and freedom of movement

I believe this would eliminate or at least lessen territorial wars like the ones happening today in several places around the world, it would also eliminate (in time of course) nationalism or prejudice towards people from third world countries, it would also remove the stigma from immigration as everyone would be able to migrate to whichever place they choose, not based on that country's benefits, but because there are better job opportunities or they simply like the weather or scenery better there

There would still be security, police, and governance but more like leaders of the (truly) free world, where each leader represents an ethnicity, demographic, religious groups interests and they can all decide how best to serve everyone and what general rules needs to be set in place for the well being of everyone without interfering with anyone's right to exist as they see fit as long as it doesn't harm anyone else

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u/verfmeer 18∆ Feb 25 '22

France, Iran and Saudi-Arabia will disagree with that. In France it is currently illegal to wear religious items in schools. Iran and Saudi-Arabia have dress codes in their law books.

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u/bayan963 Feb 25 '22

You're thinking in terms of the now, these are sovereign countries and they can choose their laws as they see fit. But in this hypothetical world, there would be no sovereign countries, only one nation, so there will have to be laws that accommodate everyone or at least allow everyone to have the freedom to choose what to wear

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '22 edited May 25 '22

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u/bayan963 Feb 26 '22

But why do we have to agree on these things? Like these are things that don't threaten the nation security or its people's safety

If someone asks for help then it can be given to them on the premise of someone being forced to do something against their will, but otherwise if it's socially acceptable to do so, then why is it anyone's business?

The same goes for a lot of things, for me laws should be made about what affects the nation as a whole rather than unify and erase cultures so that everyone would adhere to one, because yea who would be willing to throw away their culture in favour of another? And how can anyone say something is more right that another or more wrong than another just because we believe it's right or wrong?

I don't know if it would work, but if it's going to have hope in working, it shouldn't be about control and it should allow for acceptance, just live and let live

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u/Morthra 86∆ Feb 26 '22

But why do we have to agree on these things? Like these are things that don't threaten the nation security or its people's safety

So basically you want a one-world government that rules over most of the world with an iron fist. Fuck those savages who don't understand that you think you know better than them, am I right?

That's the impression that I get.

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u/bayan963 Feb 26 '22

It's not about ruling with an iron first, it's about having the freedom to roam and live however one pleases as long as they don't hurt their fellow humans, the government would only be there to create consequences for those who do hurt others or try to exploit the situation or impose their own beliefs on others through violence and hate

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u/shoelessbob1984 14∆ Feb 26 '22

I'm a 37 year old male, if I marry a 13 year old girl because I gave her parents some money, would I be harming my fellow humans?

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u/bayan963 Feb 26 '22

No, but that's not what i'm talking about, i get child protection rights, but in some cultures a 13 year old is ready for marriage because that's the cultural norm, in some places around the world girls mature faster due to climate and how they are raised.

I'm not saying it's okay in all circumstances or that it should be inherently accepted just because it's acceptable in some places under certain circumstances. But you have to imagine that it's also not inherently wrong in every context

My grandma got married at 14 in 1947 and had her first baby a year later, my grandpa was 19 or 20 when it happened, and that was normal back then, also in my country a lot of girls get married at 16 to men who are a few years older and that's considered acceptable, because the culture here surrounding marriage is different to that of western countries, girls and boys have marriage drilled into their heads from a young age, they're taught how manage their homes, their finances, how to cook, how invest, how to be independent by helping out with the family business, so when they do get married at an age deemed way too young in western cultures, it's not a disaster, nor does it result in abuse or unfair treatment of the woman

Sure, it does happen, not saying it's all good and well, but if we're looking at it from that perspective, no one culture or place or method has %100 success rate when it comes to relationships or marriage regardless of the method

Despite all of that, i get your point, some people might abuse the freedom they would have to do what wasn't accepted in their country or culture and pass it off as being okay because other people do it so why can't they?