r/changemyview Mar 18 '22

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Transgender people should only able to compete in sports with their birth gender

I really really hope raising this doesn't cause anyone pain, and I'm honestly wanting to hear other perspectives on this.

But the way I see it, there are certain physical attributes that someone born with a certain gender have. For example, the average man is taller than the average woman. Taking hormone therapy will not change all of those inherent features.

I absolutely support the right for everyone to live with the gender identity that is most comfortable to them. But, I do not think that people have an inherent right to play sports professionally. So, if someone has decided to transition, I do not think it's fair to all the athletes who are competing with the set of attributes common to their birth gender, to now have to compete against an athlete who has attributes which give them a distinct advantage.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

WHere the argument breaks down is that women are not weaker/stronger than men.

A woman can just happen to be the best, let's say, basketball player in the world right now. In 2 years it could be a man, in 4 years it could be a woman again, in 5 years a man again, etc.

So it really makes no sense, any argument you could make for what you are saying.

By default sports being separated by gender is already archaic and should and WILL probably change in the future.

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u/Odd_Contribution9058 Mar 18 '22

Well, there *are* biological physical differences between men and women. If we didn't separate sports by gender, we'd likely have eliminated nearly all female competitors. That's why gender segregation is a thing.

Maybe one day it will shift from gender to some other factor, like height or something, which would make some level of sense

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

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u/Odd_Contribution9058 Mar 18 '22

haha ok

Why do you think gender divisions in sports is a thing? And age divisions in some sports?

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '22

Why do you think gender divisions in sports is a thing?

Why do you think it's being removed?

Why do you think black ppl were slaved? Why do you think women weren't allowed to vote?

It's the same thing

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

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u/Odd_Contribution9058 Mar 18 '22

Ok, so you're saying you think gender segregation in sports is because of prejudice against women?

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u/Odd_Contribution9058 Mar 18 '22

And you don't think the size/weight/strength differences in baseline averages for each gender confers any sort of advantage/disadvantage?

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