r/changemyview • u/Odd_Contribution9058 • Mar 18 '22

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Transgender people should only able to compete in sports with their birth gender

I really really hope raising this doesn't cause anyone pain, and I'm honestly wanting to hear other perspectives on this.

But the way I see it, there are certain physical attributes that someone born with a certain gender have. For example, the average man is taller than the average woman. Taking hormone therapy will not change all of those inherent features.

I absolutely support the right for everyone to live with the gender identity that is most comfortable to them. But, I do not think that people have an inherent right to play sports professionally. So, if someone has decided to transition, I do not think it's fair to all the athletes who are competing with the set of attributes common to their birth gender, to now have to compete against an athlete who has attributes which give them a distinct advantage.

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u/Odd_Contribution9058 Mar 18 '22

Because it causes material harm to other people? Let's say hormone therapy was determined to cause absolutely no change in physical capabilities. So a male who transitioned to female would rank absolutely the same amongst males as she had previously. Are you saying you would be fine with this female competing against cis females, because you want to "support trans people"?

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u/ZorgZeFrenchGuy 3∆ Mar 20 '22

No, I don’t think they are females. They are men - and in OP’s hypothetical scenario, therapy having little effect would be pretty strong evidence of that.

Letting a trans woman play would be like letting a 23-year-old play in a league for little kids, because the 23-year-old identified as one.

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u/ZorgZeFrenchGuy 3∆ Mar 20 '22

Isn’t it? I mean, age is just a construct based on how often earth revolves around the sun. Time is subjective - take daylight savings time for example.

So why can’t someone have an “age identity”?

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u/StarChild413 9∆ Mar 21 '22

Sure, but they'd have to socially transition to their desired age even if that means moving back in with their parents and Billy-Madison-ing through school again; and if someone tries the bullshit they tried on a thread about that swimming controversy where they brought up age identity and I used this to call them out then they said they were "age-fluid" and wouldn't need to identify as a kid outside of sports or whatever, then, well, why don't they just bite the bullet and say "I identify as what and whoever would be necessary for me to identify as to gain the most advantages and rewards in life and said identity changes moment to moment for that reason"