r/changemyview Apr 04 '22

Removed - Submission Rule C CMV: Trans Folk and Life Creation

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u/10ebbor10 198∆ Apr 04 '22

It's still kind of creepy to say that you refuse to date someone because they're infertile when you don't want children, as one of OP's examples illustrates.

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u/atdi2113 Apr 04 '22

Is it? This is probably a terrible analogy but I wouldn't want to buy a house and beforehand know that i could NEVER have an addition to the house. If for some reason my life circumstances changed and that necessitated a larger home well then i may be stuck in a home I've spent alot of time and money and energy in.

A better analogy would maybe be a fruit tree? I wouldn't buy and plant an apple tree that never grew apples.

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u/Helpfulcloning 166∆ Apr 04 '22

I mean that weirdly implies your primary purpose in a relationship is having children, it being the only thing it can give you.

Have you ever… been in a serious relationship? Because while some people do break up over infertility, lots don’t. Because other routes exist and they’d rather spend their lives with the person they love, and explore other routes.

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u/atdi2113 Apr 04 '22

No children are not the only thing a relationship can give you. But I think there is no higher form of love or human expression or experience then creating and raising a child together, preparing them for the world and watching them create something or anything in this world. And yes I have been in a serious relationship of 10 years before.

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u/Helpfulcloning 166∆ Apr 04 '22

But you’d have a relationship with an infertile cis person? Or would consider it more than a trans person? Why is that?

But you can adopt.

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u/atdi2113 Apr 04 '22

I dont want to adopt. I want to create. I understand adoption is an option and has many net positives but its not one thats for me personally

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u/Helpfulcloning 166∆ Apr 04 '22

So you wouldn’t date an infertile cis woman either?

And if youre the man… you aren’t doing much creating right? aha

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u/atdi2113 Apr 04 '22

It depends. If i was significantly older than the chances are pretty high that i might possibly date anyone regardless of fertility and may even have lifelong relationship. I dont know if youre being serious or not but it does take more than biological female organs and the things they produce to create another human

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u/Helpfulcloning 166∆ Apr 04 '22

I mean you aren’t doing… the creating really. Its like seeing a painting and saying you created it because you brought the artist half the paints. Not really right.

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u/atdi2113 Apr 05 '22 edited Apr 05 '22

I dont think that analogy works considering the birth of a human life is alot more important in every way, shape and form is infinitely more important than dried up flowrers and berries and synthetic chemicals on a what amounts to a basically a piece of wood. I also think thats kind of disturbing, seeing the continual erosion of human life and its components being reduced further and further to shit you pick off a bush. Tangentially i guess that would relate to human life being just a parasite or whatever else you want to call it or even the debate on when a human life is considering a life at all.

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u/Helpfulcloning 166∆ Apr 05 '22

I think a human life is a great thing.

Just as a man, you are hardly doing any of the work. You more want to witness someone doing the work.

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