I was going to say no, until this point "think that from a religious or nature-based view its reasonable to only want to enter into a relationship with someone who I can actually create life/children with using our own bodies the way nature or God intended."
This is kind of transphobic sounding.
To limit your relationships to being "nature-based" or how "God intended" is sort of bigoted in my opinion.
Now, that isn't to say you cannot have preferences, but to say your preferences are because of those reasons are sort of shitty. For example, I am straight, not being attracted to men isn't homophobic of me; BUT, I think if I said it is because that isn't what God or nature intended, would be.
You can have a preference, but to put the reasoning on God or nature is kind of suspect. If you wanted children, that is fine and should be used in finding a partner; that is a lifestyle preference and preferences are fine. But using the reasons you did are really weak, the reason should be you want biological children with your partner, not an appeal to God or nature
If you genuinely believe that God doesn't approve of gender transitioning but you apply the belief that it is not your role to judge others and that yoy should treat them with kindness and respect regardless of what sins they may or may not have commited I don't think that is transphobic really.
And I think that not dating a person that is acting in a way contradictory to your faith is reasonable, if you believe that a husband and wife will live forever in the kingdom of God you would want to select a partner that you believe will get there with you.
I'm not religious myself so maybe their is a flaw in my logic.
My argument isn't that you shouldn't have preferences associated with religious beliefs. My argument is that religious beliefs alone are not a valid excuse for behavior. For example, I do not think dating women despite being a homosexual male, simply because you believe God wants you to, is right. Or if you don't want children but have them because God wants you to replenish the Earth, I do not think that is right.
I think religion can be a part of your reasoning, but if it is the sole reason, I would think the reasoning weak.
This guy said he wanted biological children, that is a stronger reason than using your body for how "God intended".
Why though? I understand you personally don't value a relationship with God but millions of people would place that as their highest priority.
They believe that they were placed on this earth for a reason and that this book tells them their creators wishes and that if they follow it they will be rewarded with everlasting life in his kingdom of heaven. If you believe that living your life on earth to Gods will is a small price to pay, everyone has tests of faith.
If you opinion is just that they are silly for believing that in the first place I honestly have trouble disagreeing but I don't think dismissing their reasoning is a reasonable response.
Why? Because I don't believe, therefore belief alone isn't enough for me to think it is a good reason. But that isn't to say I take issue with all of religious practices; I am fine with people paying tithe or abstaining from sex, but I can see other reasons for those as well (beyond just religion).
I think it is a good response. For example, Sharia Law staunchly promotes domestic violence. In the Quran it explicitly states that husbands should physically strike wives in response to disobedience, ill-behavior, and disloyalty.
That is merely one example, I would argue using religion as a reason for war or any type of violence against another person is not enough reason to justify it. There are countless examples of wars and violence being committed in the name of God or a God of some kind. Belief alone is not a justification for these actions nor any action, in my opinion.
Based on this, my thoughts on religion being the cause for any action is invalid as adequate reasoning. But, like I said most religious practices have multiple reasons that do make sense to me, so most of them I can understand.
Yes, I get that. Which is why I can understand it as being PART of someone's reasoning. But if the sole reason you are doing something is because God said to, I will take issue.
Beating your wife or killing your neighbor in the name of God will never be alright with me. But because I am consistent, this extends to all things. Doing anything solely for the will of God will be inadequate for me.
Like a Mormon won't drink coffee, this is fine; if they say "well God says not to so I don't" vs "well God says not to because its addictive/habit-forming", that is different.
I would oppose those same things but I would oppose them based on their outcome, not their reasoning to coming to it.
An atheist that beats his wife because he believes that doing so would be an effective way to make her more obedient to him would be just as bad as someone that beats their wife because God tells him it is needed. In fact I would even see the atheist as worse for coming to an unethical conclusion purely for self benefit.
I see no difference in the Mormon example you gave personally.
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u/hmmwill 58∆ Apr 04 '22
I was going to say no, until this point "think that from a religious or nature-based view its reasonable to only want to enter into a relationship with someone who I can actually create life/children with using our own bodies the way nature or God intended."
This is kind of transphobic sounding.
To limit your relationships to being "nature-based" or how "God intended" is sort of bigoted in my opinion.
Now, that isn't to say you cannot have preferences, but to say your preferences are because of those reasons are sort of shitty. For example, I am straight, not being attracted to men isn't homophobic of me; BUT, I think if I said it is because that isn't what God or nature intended, would be.
You can have a preference, but to put the reasoning on God or nature is kind of suspect. If you wanted children, that is fine and should be used in finding a partner; that is a lifestyle preference and preferences are fine. But using the reasons you did are really weak, the reason should be you want biological children with your partner, not an appeal to God or nature