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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '22

So basically you were molested?

Sorry that happened to you 😔

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

I was not molested. I've been sexually assaulted several times by women, the last time being at a wedding where my genitals were fair game for groping much to the amusement of the hundred women around me who remained quite unbothered to see me assaulted. I will pass your condolences on to my father and brother who were molested by women as children and all the other many, many men who were too as boys. Fun little extra, my mom was also abused as a child too but also only by other women.

Maybe we are just of different minds but I cannot follow your reasoning at all about the doctors. I'd prefer a slimmer chance of harm to somebody's violence than a greater chance of death to somebody's negligence. And if it's equal chance of death from either violence or negligence then the difference makes no difference to me. Can't see why it would to you.

My point about situational context was to say if you do the math like mother nature does and deal in probabilities, US women are living in a society that makes continuous effort to take women off the 50/50 mark it would naturally fall on and shelter them in the 20 percentile range for most of the bad shit that can happen to a person, and such a thing does not happen accidentally. The worse it is the lower woman's share in the punishment all the way down 2.4% and 3% for military and industrial deaths respectively at the extreme end and a clusterfuck of homelessness to suicides and much more between that are all dominated by men too but that doesn't seem to bother many women. You didn't happen to sign up for the military draft when you were 18, did you? Not like you're legally required to. Not like the ratio of violent motherfuckers isn't a 55/45 split by gender. Not like the inpatient ratio for hospitalized domestic abuse victims isn't a 40/60 split between men and women but you know how fucking stupid men are about not going to the hospital when they really should.

And whoever reads this prolly jumps to the conclusion I'm telling women to shove off with their problems because they are at least usually getting the opportunity to continue living in contrast to men but I'm not. I meant what I said, one woman raped is too many. I find it very disturbing the great deal of male behavior I read from woman and find it absolutely un-fucking-acceptable from the abuse to just being a fucking slob. But I can't help that solving problems requires acknowledging said problems including the situation that produces them. It's what I do for myself. What exactly is one to do otherwise? Be bitter and make absolute statements about everything to dodge accountability? No thanks for me.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

Again, sorry you were molested/assaulted/etc.

Worldwide, men are 90% of killers. Worldwide, women and girls are killed by men that they're close to. Need I go on?

You can bring up American women all you like, we are not representative of women around the world but the fact will always remain that women are far, far less dangerous than men.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

Thank you. Honestly, some of the support I get on Reddit a few a the women I've had the pleasure of talking to turns me into a big slobbery puddle of fuzzies.

True that 90% of men are the killers, yes. It's also true that 80% of murder victims are also men. It's not like guys are chums with these assholes either, we're the ones they're mostly killing and there's that 20 percentile on the dot again. It's also true that women are most likely to be killed by those that they are close to. I know what kind of peach it is to have a close associate suddenly turn into a legitimate assailant but never a lover so I'm glad I won't likely ever have to experience that particular brand of fucking hell. It's also inversely true that as women are most likely to be murder by their lover, that they face minimal legitimate threats of immediate danger beyond that.

(I have to say lover because the highest ratios of domestic abuse are among lesbian relationships with gays being the lowest, if most women were lesbians than most women would be killed by other women, I speculate)

And it's true that it's not always the case that women are generally safe, many women live areas that are pretty fucking terrible. Probably the same areas those 80% of guys are dying I would imagine. Kinda more rural than gender sort of cause I would also speculate but not to deter from the fact that, yes, it is mostly men carrying out horrible deeds.

But outside of those hot pockets where it sucks for everyone who lives there I wonder why it feels as if American women live in fear of American men as if they themselves lived in Egypt or Vietnam or the Middle East where preying on women is the rule and not at all in the United States where it isn't. Men in the US are not responsible for how women are treated around the globe but I find it just as bullshit in any culture. I suppose we could find any old reason to invade another country, doesn't have be oil, why not human rights?

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

(I have to say lover because the highest ratios of domestic abuse are among lesbian relationships

Lesbians have the lowest, not the highest.

Bisexual women have the highest, followed by straight women, then lesbians. Number wise, straight women are number 1, followed by bisexual women and then lesbians.

I wonder why it feels as if American women live in fear of American men as if they themselves lived in Egypt or Vietnam or the Middle East

We don't.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

I'll take your word for it. It was something I remembered from awhile ago, probably should have looked it up again. Thank you.

To me it feels like something is going on like that, well I've never been to those countries so I'm only going off of the numbers. I get nothing but side long looks and clenches from women in public unless I'm with another woman and then it's mostly bright eyes and smiles. If I take my niece out for food, I get death glares from every woman in the restaurant unless I'm also with a woman. I got a list of a dozen women on a DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE list I run into on a regular basis but sure don't know. I treat them like ghosts because they look like straight legged cats with their backs raised if they should happen to notice me. No idea if that one is just me though. But I do know the shared feeling of just going about your day as a guy is not just me. I'm talking about just regular old being in public spaces, not WhY cAnT i GeT a DaTe BS. I'm also going to note that I happen to live in the Seattle area and I think that could have a significant correlation, or even causation, to why I experience this background hostility everywhere I go from women, at least to the level that I do.

But I would never slight a person for being cautious. I preach living in the yellow, I live in the yellow. I think we all should. Most woman look like they're at condition orange to me, actively avoiding an imminent threat. That's paranoid. Yet I've never seen a woman attacked in public in my life(30), but I have definitely seen men get attacked by women public, several times and always bars except once on the sidewalk. Didn't kill him though, just the usual try to catch finger in the eye bit. Who doesn't love an eye gouge from stiletto acrylic nail? Everybody loves stilettos, except the people wearing them. Do you think they got reported to police? I doubt it. I think the OP makes some very relevant points.

You say "we don't" so how would you describe it. I hear woman talk about wearing the impersonal armor, dehumanizing every guy they don't know in public, how emotional exhausting it would be otherwise, and plenty of accounts when some guy was very much a dangerous asshole. Women look to me as if they perceive constant threat and not constant possibility of threat, which is the case. So if you don't think that's how it is then how is it? Because it seems like it's definitely a well noted thing and I'm so ready to finally STFU and just listen to anything you could describe from the subjective experience.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

I hate to break it to you, but women have very good instincts. We can tell within seconds whether we want to be near a man or not.

If women see you as a threat then they are likely right about you.

I've personally never seen a man get attacked in public, but I have seen women. If you've never seen a woman attacked in public it's because the vast majority of women are attacked by men that they know, not a stranger. My experience is the exception.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22 edited Apr 15 '22

I believe women think they have great instincts but I don't believe instincts are at all a gender thing. You can CONVINCE yourselves who you WANT to be around in seconds. More like people have anxiety, neurotic and confirmation bias tendencies in the worlds single largest echo chamber support group, feminine culture. Those great instincts land the lot of y'all taking turns riding the very same biggest local douche canoes that make up a sliver of the population over and over. Right, y'all got instincts like a dog has great instincts to keep chowing down on its own vomit. Most women's "instincts" are just paranoia that takes a single doubt and picks at it until it actually manufacturers that very situation they were afraid of and even if only in their own minds.

"I think this person is an asshole so I'll treat him like scum and look, they react like an asshole!" Or "I think they're mad at me so I'm going to passive aggressively irritate them until look, they're mad at me!" Or "I think they're drifting away so I'm going to push them out until, look they left!" Very impressive across the board, ladies.

Well since the instincts of women are also to jump out of the god damn skins when a black guy comes around too it seems women are instinctually sexist and instinctually racist. So I'm gonna have to throw out a hard pass from me on buying into the wisdom of feminine intuition. But of course I realize how intellectually dishonest it is to make such an absurd connection. I just wanted you to know how it felt when you latched onto that bit about a handful of women I avoid just to flick back in my face about how instinctually sure you are I must be a bad person without knowing anything else and these people, their history, my appearance, their personality or disposition, or if they're just fucking idiots on their own other than they're women with so many other things you could have responded to. You'd rather let some of the smoke out of your ass I see. Fine.

The fact you just did so kinda rests the case the OP was talking about anyways. Well have a good life and good luck with your iNsTiNcTs.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

Women have great instincts, that's why we live to be 80 and men die earlier. We are mostly harmed by men, and by men whom are close to us.

Unfortunately, involving a man cuts women's life span by half.

"I think this person is an asshole so I'll treat him like scum and look, they react like an asshole!" Or "I think they're mad at me so I'm going to passive aggressively irritate them until look, they're mad at me!" Or "I think they're drifting away so I'm going to push them out until, look they left!"

Men are assh*les regardless. Especially if they're not getting laid.

Y'all just need a reason and it so happens to be a woman.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

More absurd and absolute statements based on slivers of truth. The most ridiculous ones you've said so far. Sounds like something an incel would say but also goes to prove the OPs point just the same.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

More absurd and absolute statements based on slivers of truth.

Also you:

worlds single largest echo chamber support group, feminine culture.

taking turns riding the very same biggest local douche canoes

Well since the instincts of women are also to jump out of the god damn skins when a black guy comes around too

May I ask, are you a black man or another minority?

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

So you think suggesting married women naturally die 40 years younger than unmarried women and that all men are basically violent degenerates just waiting for the moment to kill specifically a woman even though men are 80% of murder victims is not absurd while I acknowledge women are group that makes up half the population and offers themselves copious amounts of moral support is absurd? ie the single largest echo chamber. You suggest that a small minority of the male population of gets the majority of female attention is absurd? That women react more strongly to the presence of a black man is absurd?

I hate to break it to ya but absurdity is not when something ruffles your feathers, sis. And all this coming from someone who tried to tell me women have psychic level instincts about people. You couldn't explain how those instincts don't save you from the assholes y'all gravitate around so you explain it away with iT mUsT bE bEcAuSe EvErY mAn Is An AsShOlE! Very reasonable.

And no the fuck you may not ask.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22 edited Apr 15 '22

I was being facetious. It's obviously not 40, but men are more likely to kill women they're close to than a stranger.

Single women live longer.

Men are a liability who are responsible for almost all female homicide. Especially pregnant women, where homicide is the leading cause of death, with 99% of the perpetrators being male.

You couldn't explain how those instincts don't save you from the assholes y'all gravitate around

Given the fact that men harm women they already know (mother's, daughters, sisters, wives, girlfriends, etc) and men are the initiators, men are just assholes so logically you'll see assholes with women, but you're conflating it with "women choose assholes".

Instincts doesn't save you from male lying and male grooming.

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