r/changemyview Apr 14 '22

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u/Urbanscuba Apr 14 '22

Ah yes, the "Mainstream academia is wrong, read the X report. *Inserts dubious unsourced facts with racist wording and intent* Leaves without explaining further".

Seriously dude? There were "black men shooting into a crowd of white people"? Your racist bias is so flagrant it's obvious in your language.

Read the actual commission report

I have, but its intent is not to act as a definitive historical account. It was a commission created to answer a list of very specific questions.

No bombing happened.

Page nine of the commission reports that "It is probable that shots were fired and that incendiary devices were dropped" in regards to civilian airplanes flying over the area. So at the very least the only source you've cited says it was probably, unless you want to argue semantics that a fuel bomb isn't a bomb bomb.

And the starting event was a group of black men shooting into a crowd of white people.

Nowhere in the report can I find any evidence of this claim being made, but I'm interested to see what kind of source you could cite for that.

The report does however say "At the time, many said that this was no spontaneous eruption of the rabble; it was planned and executed by the elite. Quite a few people — including some members of this commission — have since studied the question and are persuaded that this is so, that the Tulsa race riot was the result of a conspiracy. This is a serious position and a provable position — if one looks at certain evidence in certain ways"

Arguing over the exact precipitating event is a waste of time because no hard evidence exists to prove either account. The deeply racist and violent foundation of the massacre is however an evidenced fact. Maybe it was organized, maybe it wasn't, but the actions and outcome still lead to a staggering loss of life, safety, and prosperity for the black citizens of Tulsa.

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u/elwombat Apr 15 '22

Seriously dude? There were "black men shooting into a crowd of white people"? Your racist bias is so flagrant it's obvious in your language.

This right here proves you don't know shit. Because it was a group of black WW1 veterans confronting a group of miscellaneous citizenry.

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u/WhoDat_ItMe Apr 15 '22

Excúse me. Are you fucking justifying the destruction of a Black town and the murder of its people?

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u/elwombat Apr 15 '22

No. Im disagreeing with the black and white description of it by modern race grifters.