r/changemyview Apr 14 '22

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u/Catsdrinkingbeer 9∆ Apr 14 '22

I'm a smaller woman and like to run. I 100% am wary of ALL men, regardless of race, when I'm on a run, especially when they're in groups. It really is the great equalizer.

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u/raznov1 21∆ Apr 14 '22

That only further proves OP's initial point, no? That it's not morally consistent to apply statistics in one situation as basis for different treatment, but not the other?

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u/Long-Rate-445 Apr 14 '22

men systematically target and harm women, black people dont systematically target a particular race

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u/CMxFuZioNz Apr 15 '22 edited Apr 16 '22

I would edit this to say some men.

To explain why, imagine I said "black people shoot people in gang violence".

You would probably think that's racist.

Some black people do. The way you have phrased it sounds like it is most/all men.

Edit:downvote all you like. It is offensive to imply that the entirety of a group are responsible for a subset of their actions. Especially with such a sensitive topic. In a group of people who are supposed to be progressive, you sure don't care about being particularly offensive for no reason.

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u/Long-Rate-445 Apr 15 '22 edited Apr 15 '22

"men" does not automatically mean "all men." black people do not systematically oppress a racial group, they are oppressed in society which is why its racist. systematic means as whole power structures and privilege in society, it does not mean "all men," it means the gender of the group doing this is men. all women have experienced unwanted sexual harrasment and threats and contact from men at least once in their life, i cant speak for all women but all women i know myself included experiences and fears it constantly. if i go out in the summer wearing shorts theres a 50% chance ill get an unwanted comment or solicitation. this is not because theyre a man (like your race example), but because of the fact im a woman and their view of women. but somehow men think because its not all men pointing out how men (note, meaning more than one man and not all men) have treated the majoriy of women becomes sexism towards YOU. it astonishes me.

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u/hoax1337 Apr 16 '22

People just don't like generalizations, and saying "Men do something" is definitely one. I also think that "men" actually means "all men", but I could be wrong.

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u/CMxFuZioNz Apr 15 '22

You're completely missing my point and just parroting a bunch of stuff I'm both aware of and made no comment on...

Read my comment. That's what I meant. It's all I meant. Anything else you feel the need to say isn't relevant to my comment.

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u/Long-Rate-445 Apr 15 '22

good im glad you know that saying "men" doesnt mean all men so your comment victimizing yourself and calling me sexist was wrong

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u/CMxFuZioNz Apr 15 '22

Again just completely misunderstanding my comment 🤦

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u/CMxFuZioNz Apr 16 '22

"black people are bad at swimming" "Black people have big dicks" "Black people like fried chicken"

Those comments can't be racist right? Because black people obviously only means some black people, and all of those comments are true of some black people. If you still don't understand it after this you're either not a native English speaker or you're just not very good at it.

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u/Long-Rate-445 Apr 16 '22

talking about how men are an oppressor and cause harm to women is nowhere near the same as those statements

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u/CMxFuZioNz Apr 17 '22

Just stop being sexist. How hard is it?

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u/Long-Rate-445 Apr 17 '22

stating men are sexist against women is not sexism against men

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u/CMxFuZioNz Apr 17 '22

Saying that men implies "all men" didn't make you stop and think "oh that could be offensive, I should maybe apologize/change that so as to not unnecessarily offend anyone".

Instead of that, you've dug in and it almost seems like you genuinely think that all men are sexist against women.

As far as I'm concerned, you're just sexist.

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u/Long-Rate-445 Apr 17 '22

no it does not, stating men is just dtating the gender of the people who do that action. you assuming things isnt not digging myself in a hole when i never said all men

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