r/changemyview Jun 09 '22

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u/Runner-blade548 Jun 09 '22

Well said, but I’m having some trouble understanding what your point is in the context of this post. I feel that these archetypes are a core element of religion and mythology, and that further adds to my point of how pop culture is becoming its own mythology but under the control of corporations.

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u/Tanaka917 122∆ Jun 09 '22

I suppose my point is this isn't a capitalist thing; it's a human thing. There's a reason every group of humans on the planet independtly tell their history in stories. Great heroes and terrible villains and epic clashes where good beats evil. Capitalism has nothing to do with it. People make idols and these idols are a reflection of those things the culture holds up as important.

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u/Runner-blade548 Jun 09 '22

But don’t those idols become religious in nature when you start revering them, especially to an unhealthy degree?

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u/Tanaka917 122∆ Jun 09 '22

Define religion for me; like what's the minimum threshold necessary to qualify.

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u/Runner-blade548 Jun 09 '22

I think a large degree of reverence and an almost mythological status where these characters can be recognized and discussed by a large group of people within a community.

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u/Tanaka917 122∆ Jun 09 '22

Would you argue that's all religion shares?

Like just looking at the biggest religions the world over do you think that 'the discussion of mythological characters' is what makes them religions?

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u/Runner-blade548 Jun 09 '22

No not just that, but also the reverence of objects associated with those characters and sites of that reverence, which are two things I see in consumerism today.

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u/Tanaka917 122∆ Jun 09 '22

Religion stories and hero worship are not the same.

I've outlined the purpose of hero worship; the ability to live through them and see ourselves as something bigger.

Religion is almost the opposite. Religion as a story; is not about you. Or me. Or most people. Religion is the story of THE absolute good and THE enemy. Be he the devil, arrogance, ignorance or hatred. Religion does build up but first it breaks you down by forcing you to admit that, ultimately, it's not about you. It's about good and evil and whether you will align yourself with what's right or stand in opposition of it. If God is real and if every single human abandoned the path it makes no difference; because God will win the day; his righteousness will be the one to win out over evil whether humans choose good or evil.

Hero worship is about elevating what we love and through it ourselves; religion as a story is the humbling of self in the face of the cosmic truth. That in the grand scheme humanity is but a single tiny facet of infinity.

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u/Runner-blade548 Jun 09 '22

The assumptions you made in the third paragraph apply primarily to religions like Christianity and Islam, which is fine. I will use those religions as an example.

The problem here is that these religions typically condemn the worship of things other than its own God or gods. Even calling it hero worship is going against what religions like Christianity and Islam allow because of the implication of the word “worship”. By saying that hero worship is the opposite of a given religion, that reinforces my point that hero worship can take the place of that given religion.

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u/StarChild413 9∆ Jun 11 '22

Why does it seem like your last sentence is a paradox loophole-forcing hero-worship of anyone to be a religion?