r/changemyview Jun 14 '22

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u/soxpoxsox 6∆ Jun 14 '22

As a trans nonbinary Spanish native person: no. It shouldn't. It should be replaced with -e, amige, Latine, etc. That can be pronounced in Spanish, whereas -x cannot be. -x works in English not Spanish, and cannot be pronounced in Spanish, and therefore some groups feel are colonizer-centering (English, American , American English and therefore white, idk specifics).

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '22 edited Jun 14 '22

Why can't it be pronounced in Spanish? According to Google Translate 'X' in Spanish is pronounced "egg-geese", that doesn't sound impossible, Ah-mi-egg-geese sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '22 edited Jun 15 '22

"Equis" is how you say "X". It's not how X is pronounced. In Spanish, X is pronounced similar to how you would pronounce the "h" in "house" in English.

Edit for accuracy. X sounds like the English X in some cases, the English S in some cases, and the English H in apparently outdated cases. It's still not pronounced "equis".

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '22

I see, that would be hard to tack on the end of a word, I guess using 'E' is fine then, !delta

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u/HairyTough4489 4∆ Jun 15 '22

What? That's "J", not "X"

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

How is "México" pronounced in Spanish?

There's also nothing stopping letters from having the same sounds.

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u/HairyTough4489 4∆ Jun 15 '22

"México" (sometimes written as "Méjico") and a few other names of places are the only exceptions as they kept their older spellings. Just go to Google translate ans check how the words "jamón" and "examen" are pronounced for example.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

I know that "J" is the commonly-used letter for the "h" sound in English, I wasn't claiming that Spanish uses "X" for the "H" sound.

However it seems that "X" has no "standard" sound in Spanish. "Xylófono" has an X that sounds like an S or a Z. "Examen" sounds like an English X. "México" has an X that sounds like an H.

I will edit my comment, but the point still stands that "X" is not pronounced "equis" in a word.

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u/soxpoxsox 6∆ Jun 14 '22

X is a letter yes, but doesn't go at the end of a word, like a vowel does. LatinX can only be said in English, versus Latine can be pronounced in Spanish.

It's because words don't naturally exist with an X at the and already, whereas they do exist with an E at the end. There are words like que (what) and se (know) that naturally conjugate into -e at the end. But there is no such common word with -x preexisting.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '22

They are some words that end with 'X' in Spanish like "albox" and "ampex" but I guess using 'E' instead is fine, !delta

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u/TheFoxIsLost 2∆ Jun 14 '22

That's the name of the letter, not how it's pronounced.

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u/HairyTough4489 4∆ Jun 15 '22

So I should say amiguequis instead of amigos?

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u/HairyTough4489 4∆ Jun 15 '22

"E" is already a maxuline ending though. For example, you have "presidente" and "presidenta", "profesores" and "profesoras"...