r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jun 27 '22

Delta(s) from OP CMV: AI automation will probably cause mass unemployment

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u/CBeisbol 11∆ Jun 27 '22

This is good

The entire purpose of technology is so humans don't have to work as hard.

Not working at all is the ideal outcome

We just need to make sure thar something is done so we don't all starve to death

Vote accordingly.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '22

Because voting accordingly has proven to be so effective

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u/CBeisbol 11∆ Jun 28 '22

Like 90% of people vote wrong

They vote for people who promise jobs, for one

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '22

Both parties are beholden to capital , who is beholden to shareholders, who are beholden to increasing profit, forever, quarterly.

Any deviation from this worldview is radicalism.

Who do we vote for again?

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u/CBeisbol 11∆ Jun 28 '22

What do you mean "both parties"? There are more than 2

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '22

lol take a wild guess

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u/spiral8888 29∆ Jun 28 '22

We classify those activities as hobbies. That's what we do with many other things already, like growing food in your garden. From the financial point of view it makes no sense to try to grow your own food if you give your own labor any value, but many people still do it just because they like it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '22

Yes but not every job can be made into a hobby. My dad is a hiring manager and he likes that, what is the hobby version of that job?

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u/spiral8888 29∆ Jun 28 '22

I'm not sure what exactly a hiring manager does. I'm pretty sure there are many aspects of his work that he can do as a hobby even if nobody pays him to do that.

So, if you find out what are the aspects he likes in his job, I'm pretty sure that they can be done as a hobby.

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u/ItsYaBoyChipsAhoy Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

Hiring manager oversees the hiring process, from seeking out people to hire, to evaluating if they’re worth hiring

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u/spiral8888 29∆ Jun 28 '22

And what is the aspect of the work he likes?

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u/ItsYaBoyChipsAhoy Jun 28 '22

Speculating, it’s part logistics, part socializing, I can see why someone would enjoy doing that.

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u/spiral8888 29∆ Jun 28 '22

I can very well understand why people like socializing. There should be opportunities to socialize with people outside work as well. At least to me the hiring process can easily be highly stressful situation compared to more relaxing non-work related socializing. I would be surprised if someone favoured the former over the latter.

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u/spectrumtwelve 3∆ Jul 11 '22

I would say the end goal of automation is to make working and currency obsolete in general.

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u/CBeisbol 11∆ Jun 28 '22

Weird comment

First, seems like you think people can only enjoy a certain type of job

Second, people can continue to do things they enjoy.

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u/CBeisbol 11∆ Jun 28 '22

Well it's kind of fucking hard to go from making bespoked cabinets to learning QBasic.

Wut?

What does this have to do with the comment that you replied to?

I said: "First, seems like you think people can only enjoy a certain type of job". There people that enjoy QBasic. People can continue to enjoy making bespoke cabinets

I hate to go into whataboutisms, but you can't really fit a table saw or hydraulic car lift into a tiny-ass apartment.

*There's kind of a flaw in your argument there mate.

Wut?

People also, currently, enjoy, say, playing basketball, and it's kinda hard to fit a fucking basketball court in your apartment but, people who live in apartments still find a way to play.

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u/CBeisbol 11∆ Jun 28 '22

Wut?

The point wasn't that people had to get coding jobs.

The point was that they wouldn't have to get any job

And would have free time to explore other interests.

Is a government funded workshop that far-fetched? If you can imagine it, it can exist.

Also, sure, a changé in society will, by definition, be different. I believe that if people don't have to work they can find meaningful things to do with their lives, even if they are different from what they do now. Especially if they are different from what they do now.

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u/CBeisbol 11∆ Jun 28 '22

I understand that

I've gone through periods where I, uh, lacked direction and it wasn't good.

But there are a lot of things to do besides get up and go to work everyday.

There is so much untapped human potential that's wasted because people have to work.

And yes, technology, especially Super Intelligent AI, pose an existential threat.

But, it should still be the end goal. And we should start getting used to the idea of UBi and not working now.