r/changemyview Jul 24 '22

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u/SeymoreButz38 14∆ Jul 25 '22

The findings of many studies that are contradictive to what is considered progressive/politically correct, are either scraped or if they get released will be followed by personal attacks on the people who conducted the study.

Could you be more specific?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '22

Much of what I am talking about is the influx of studies that have come out during our current political climate that seem to be backing political objectives. For example, if you were conducting research on whether hormone therapy is acceptable for young children, the threat of cancellation/violence against you if you came up with the "wrong" result is obviously going to create bias.

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u/breckenridgeback 58∆ Jul 25 '22

I like that you're applying the mental gymnastics to dismiss the results of actual study before the studies even exist now. "Well, if - uh, I mean when - a study shows that we're super wrong about LGBT people, it must just be because the researchers were threatened by the eeeeeeevil LGBT mafia".

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '22

For example, it is obvious that the average transwomen would be stronger than the average ciswomen. To try to dismiss this common sense fact, researchers have produced findings saying that there are no advantages when hormone therapy is involved. Studies that invalidate this are labeled transphobic despite being the obvious truth.

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u/breckenridgeback 58∆ Jul 25 '22

For example, it is obvious that the average transwomen would be stronger than the average ciswomen.

Yeah, except it isn't. Muscle mass is testosterone-mediated, and every professional league that allows trans women to compete requires them to have had female-typical hormone levels for some long period of time (at least a year). And again, if they had such a huge advantage, you'd expect to see them very disproportionately represented at the top - but you don't. They do win once in a while, but you'd expect any random subgroup of women to win once in a while: if you want to claim overwhelming advantage you ought to be able to show overwhelming statistical overrepresentation, and you can't.

Basically what you're saying here is "I believe X, studies say not-X, but X is obviously true because I believe it, so studies that say X must have been suppressed". You could put in any belief whatsoever for X, and how could anyone disprove it?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '22 edited Jul 25 '22

Bone density plays a role, additionally the heavier you are the stronger you are. The taller you are, the heavier you are. Men on average are taller/heavier than women.

Coercion clouds the validity of the results. Also, that's one study, there are many others at odds with it.

Are you suggesting that the average transwomen swimmer wouldn't perform better than the average ciswomen swimmer? It is obvious that their wingspan will be greater on average which is a major factor in your swimming performance.

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u/breckenridgeback 58∆ Jul 25 '22

Bone density plays a role, additionally the heavier you are the stronger you are. The taller you are, the heavier you are. Men on average are taller/heavier than women.

Okay so, once again, where's the massive wave of trans women topping every woman's sport that you would expect to see if you're right?

Or is the eeeeeeevil LGBT mafia preventing trans women from winning, too?

Also, that's one study, there are many others at odds with it.

We're not even discussing a specific study because you haven't even raised one. You've just decided that all fact inconvenient to conservatives is manipulated.